Mathews Inc.
CTAS - Stop the Wolf
Colorado
Contributors to this thread:
kadbow 26-Jun-19
Ucsdryder 26-Jun-19
Treeline 27-Jun-19
Paul@thefort 27-Jun-19
Ski-Skin 27-Jun-19
Paul@thefort 27-Jun-19
Treeline 27-Jun-19
Surfbow 28-Jun-19
1HankS 28-Jun-19
Whocares 28-Jun-19
Paul@thefort 28-Jun-19
Inshart 28-Jun-19
Stix 02-Jul-19
Brun 02-Jul-19
Treeline 02-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 03-Jul-19
Glunt@work 03-Jul-19
tradi-doerr 11-Jul-19
Adventurewriter 11-Jul-19
stillhunter 12-Jul-19
trublucolo 12-Jul-19
Adventurewriter 12-Jul-19
Adventurewriter 12-Jul-19
Treeline 12-Jul-19
Whocares 12-Jul-19
Ski-Skin 12-Jul-19
Ski-Skin 12-Jul-19
Whocares 14-Jul-19
Whocares 14-Jul-19
trublucolo 14-Jul-19
Whocares 14-Jul-19
Ski-Skin 20-Jul-19
trublucolo 20-Jul-19
donnybowhunter 22-Jul-19
TRnCO 22-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 22-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 22-Jul-19
Dirk Diggler 22-Jul-19
trublucolo 22-Jul-19
Grasshopper 22-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 23-Jul-19
Adventurewriter 23-Jul-19
Huntosolo 23-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 23-Jul-19
Huntosolo 24-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 24-Jul-19
samman 30-Jul-19
Grasshopper 30-Jul-19
RogBow 30-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 31-Jul-19
Paul@thefort 31-Jul-19
Schwammerl 31-Jul-19
Treeline 11-Aug-19
fishnride 13-Aug-19
Treeline 14-Aug-19
RDHunts 15-Aug-19
linehunter 15-Aug-19
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Dirk Diggler 17-Aug-19
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From: kadbow
26-Jun-19

kadbow's embedded Photo
kadbow's embedded Photo
One good thing to come out of the the snowy CTAS High Country Shoot this past weekend was that the board voted to donate $5000 to the Colorado Stop the Wolf Coalition. A very important cause for Colorado hunting. Contribute if you can.

From: Ucsdryder
26-Jun-19
Great news!!!!

From: Treeline
27-Jun-19
A good start. This is a bit outside CTAS’s charter but the membership understands the importance of this issue.

From: Paul@thefort
27-Jun-19
As we know, the original Ballot Initiative 79 to introduce the gray wolf into Colorado has been pulled with the idea of introducing new wording, ie, Ballot Initiative 170 ( I believe). i have not seen this new initiative or it's wording. Paul

From: Ski-Skin
27-Jun-19
Help Elect The Wolf In 2020!

Help restore the natural balance. Help restore wolves to Colorado.

Paul,

For the first time, Coloradans - not politicians, not bureaucrats – "We, The People", may decide whether to reintroduce gray wolves to Colorado. We will only have this choice, though, if we can get the gray wolf on the 2020 ballot.

State officials recently approved our ballot proposal, Initiative 107, that if passed would:

Direct the State of Colorado to restore gray wolves to public lands west of the Continental Divide Require our Colorado Parks and Wildlife to implement a science-based wolf restoration plan Fairly compensate livestock owners for livestock losses caused by wolves Now, we need your help to get the wolf on the 2020 ballot ... We must collect at least 160,000 petition signatures by December 2019 to put the measure before Colorado voters.

We need wildlife lovers – tree huggers and elk hunters, birders and anglers, backcountry enthusiasts and long-time ranchers – everyone who loves Colorado’s wild lands – to help to collect the 160,000 signatures needed.

Yes, I'll Help! Voter research has consistently shown that, if given a choice, a majority of Coloradans want wolves restored to our wild public lands. If we then win, we come a huge step closer to restoring gray wolves to their historic range by reestablishing the connection between gray wolves in the Northern Rockies and their brethren in New Mexico and Arizona.

And we come an enormous step closer to passing on a Colorado with a natural balance that enriches future generations.

Please volunteer to collect signatures to get the wolf on the 2020 ballot. We’ll be offering training – in person and online – to form a team gathering signatures from friends, families and communities around the state. Once you sign-up, we’ll contact you with the next steps to get started.

Sign Me Up! We hope you share our vision of a Colorado where wolves roam their historic range again. Please sign-up to elect the gray wolf in 2020.

For the wild and wolves,

Delia G. Malone Wildlife Team Chair Sierra Club, Colorado Chapter

From: Paul@thefort
27-Jun-19
Well Delia, I am personally insulted with your ballot initiative to "restore the Gray Wolf" to Colorado. Why am I insulted? I am insulted because for the past 110 years the Division of Wildlife, now the CPW, using the North American Conservation Model as a guide line, has spent millions of dollars (the majority of which came from hunters and fisherman and not from the general fund or from the majority of the Colorado public) and millions of man hours to do just that, to maintain the "balance of nature" through the management of Colorado's big game animals and their habitat.

I am insulted to believe that the first initiative presented, claimed that the gray wolf would only be release on public land and only west of the Divide. What a false narrative that is, but a good way to get Front Range votes, ie, Ok not in my back yard or ok just on public land. And now you come up with another false narrative for wolf introduction and this narrative is based on Want and not Need. While your group and I would guess mostly from outside of Colorado Want the gray wolf, the Colorado Wildlife Commission is on record that they do not support or need the the Gray Wolf in Colorado unless it wanders into Colorado where it is protected. I do not know of a single hunter or hunter Organization that supports the forced introduction of the Gray Wolf to Colorado. We had seen that the gray wolf, once established, will do to the moose population and the elk population and we have seen in the past the the pro wolf groups will never settle until there are more wolves than planned and they will do this through the Courts using you high paid or volunteered attorneys. Where as hunters do have quotas, licenses, and seasons to manage the wildlife, the wolf has no limits on range and no limits of seasons, ie, no control of big game animal take (kill) and domestic stock. Ranchers and private citizens prize their animals as they are just not "dumb animals" out there on the range and if they lose a few to wolfs , it is a big deal, like losing a family member. But you say, "OH, we will pay for the loss" as it is just a dumb animal that can be replaced".

Seventy five years ago there were 1.5 million people in Colorado. This is when the wolf may have been eliminated in Colorado, but because of this fact, you give the reason why the gray wolf needs to be forced introduced into Colorado as this is their historic range, and they have plenty of room for them to roam. Lets see, today Colorado's population is approaching 6,000,000 and within the next 20 years that growth is projected to 10,000,000.

Wolves on only public land! Wolves only west of the Divide! Wolves will bring back the balance of nature? When was Colorado's nature out of balance? Using the North American Conservation Model and funding from hunters and fisherman, Colorado's nature is in balance.

While you might WANT the gray wolf in Colorado, we sportsman who support the CPW and the Colorado Wild Live Commission understand that there is no NEED for the forced introduction of the gray wolf to Colorado.

Your false narrative is only that, a false- hood supported mostly from out of state pro wolf organizations and to also, help sway the non educated person to vote for your cause.

We as hunters and supporters of CPW scientific based studies and the CPW Commission who is on record opposing the forced introduction of the the Gray Wolf stand ready to fight against your initiative.

From: Treeline
27-Jun-19
Excellent!

From: Surfbow
28-Jun-19
Good post Paul

From: 1HankS
28-Jun-19
Great post!

From: Whocares
28-Jun-19
Very good, Paul. Your statement, or parts of it, should be used publicly in the campaign against the initiative by whatever coalition finally organizes to oppose the initiative.

Most of you are probably aware the USFWS held a public hearing in Minnesota this week re: removing the wolf from the endangered list. About 300 people attended and a 81 were able to speak to both sides of the issue. Been involved in these kinds of meetings many times and they don't really accomplish much. Even if the agency takes them off the list those opposed will find their judge of choice and sue to stop the action. I guy needs to wear a hard hat when dealing with this stuff.

From: Paul@thefort
28-Jun-19
My understanding is that the USFWS plans on taking the gray wolf off of the endangered list US wide next March 2020, and then turn over the management of the wolf to the states. Just a guess but, I also expect that the Pro wolf organizations will sue the USFWS over taking the wolf off of the list and tie this up in court for who knows how long.

From: Inshart
28-Jun-19
Per Bugle Magazine, there are more wolves in MN than the 5 western states combined ........ and yet people like ..... Delia G. Malone Wildlife Team Chair Sierra Club, continue to push "false information" ... or as I like to refer it "blatant lies" to the uninformed.

Mn has been way WAY over "packed" for many years and the radicals still push for an "endangered species" listing. UGH, so damn frustrating.

From: Stix
02-Jul-19
If they can find a way to breed the wolves to specifically target humans, but leave the game animals, I'd be in favor of it. Think of their use for population control! We need it in this state. LOL

Til then, nope.

From: Brun
02-Jul-19
I'm offended by everything in this proposal, but I'm particularly offended by the wording about the western slope. Of course we all know that they won't stay on the western slope, but I'm wondering about the legal precedent of the wording. It seems to me this would be like the the whole state voting to accept a nuclear waste dump in southeastern Colorado because we know the winds would blow away from most of us. I'm going to ask an attorney friend of mine what he thinks about this. Even if there is not a valid legal complaint, it's still a point I think should be emphasized in our fight. Western slope residents, even a lot of the more liberal ones are very sensitive about our rivers being diverted to support the population growth on the front range, so this will strike a familiar chord with many. I'm very confident that forced wolf introduction will lose the vote on the western slope anyway, but we need every vote we can get and I think a focus on this will help sway a lot of people in the west who are on the fence about this.

From: Treeline
02-Jul-19
Add in the pollution factor of bringing in wolves with Hydad disease to the waterways and trails... That’s a huge deterrent for having wolves.

From: Paul@thefort
03-Jul-19
I find it very interesting that a New Ballot Initiative, ie, initiative 107 was filed to replace initiative 97 and with new wording added to allow "private property, to be utilized. I can only believe that the first initiative that was filed had a few cliches and now the private property aspect was added that prohibits the Wildlife Commission-- not be discriminate.

The vast majority of the citizens who will sign the petitions for the introduction of the wolf will do it based on emotion and not science or knowledge, will truly believe that they are doing the right thing for the environment, cool to see or hear the wolf, the balance of nature in Colorado, their contribution to the Green Movement, and the survival of the wolf species to roam free from Canada to South America. Interesting, is that the the wolf species in Arizona and far south of Colorado ( never had a historic range here), will make contact with the Gray Wolf and its genetic base will be diluted.

Many of these same persons have no idea of the North American Conservation Model and the contribution that hunters have made to help develop strong and viable big game populations here in Colorado.

The supporters of the wolf introduction state they want at least 250 wolves in Colorado but we know from past experiences in Montana, Idaho, and Wyo. they will continue to fight to have more and more wolves, well beyond their first WANT. Not NEED but WANT. my best, Paul

From: Glunt@work
03-Jul-19
When we get to 300 wolves, they will eat more elk per year than our 40,000 bowhunters do.

From: tradi-doerr
11-Jul-19
My daughter was at the library and the wolf fanatics have set up shop at the Anythink library's in the north area (Thornton, Northglenn) and have gotten a lot of signatures on the petitions (They also had a petition for the popular vote BS as well). We should ask the Library's if they would allow us to come promote the problems with the introductions of wolves, and the de-listing of wolves nation wide is absolutely needed?

11-Jul-19
simple math wolves equal less elk and particular moose...the $$$$$$ that hunters bring in and spend will diminished with plumenting success rates..all the wildlife will suffer...they wolf people have such a long history of lying about their intentions and the numbers to be managed it is almost comical that can present it with a straight face....ohhhh the voice of the people...95 percent of people voting in it have no dog in the hunt or a clue ohhh I guess wolves are kinda cool okay...why not two seconds of though...not exactly a army of the well informed when i understand the game commission voted 100 percent against it but what would they know..???

From: stillhunter
12-Jul-19
I would suggest that you (someone) begin preparing TV spots portraying the frightening / eerie effects the wolf will have on public camping, as well as showing the wolf killing fawns, calves, and adult animals. Otherwise you're going to have wolves in Colorado!

From: trublucolo
12-Jul-19
This is already in the bag for wolf supporters, anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional. I cringe every time the media promotes the wolf proponents pushing their agenda, with the barnyard pet wolves laying in the background. The media is NOT going to let anybody run spots showing wolves taking down elk and other wildlife.

Just like when the clusterfluck DOW merger with Parks and Recreation, some people here still think the wolves aren't going to happen in the near future. Colorado tree huggers are going to find a way to fast track this from Boulder to Denver, straight down Colfax to the steps of the State Capitol where it will be accepted without a whimper.

I am as anti assisted wolf introduction as anybody here, and will sign every petition and ballot against introduction I cross paths with, and will donate to any group that is fighting it but It's going to happen. There are just way too many people with no skin in the game willing to sign off on it just because it sounds cool.

12-Jul-19
I hate to say it trublu is right I heard a thing on KOA the other day you know both sides of the wolf issue. One side was super pro wolf and the "counterpoint" was pro-wolf thinly disguised as anti wolf it was pathetic

12-Jul-19
This is really what it boils down to "There are just way too many people with no skin in the game willing to sign off on it just because it sounds cool."

From: Treeline
12-Jul-19
3400 FPS, 3400 FPS!

Every hunter better be packin’. Pop and gone. No discussion. No recovery. No quarter.

From: Whocares
12-Jul-19
While the CBA( I'm a member) explains our rationale, will the CPw explain their various rationale, or have they and I missed it? Oops wrong thread.

From: Ski-Skin
12-Jul-19
I posted this because this is what i get in my email. I signed up for sierra club emails to see what they say and how much BS is in it. I get at least 3-5 per week. I really want to go to a meeting. I talked with a woman from carbondale, she said "wolves will help with the coyote problem." I said ok, so you want to trade a 35# scavenger with a 95# apex predator in your back yard or while you and your 10 year old boy are walking your dog? She looked perplexed and then said well the wolves will stay in the mountains. I said well what about in the winter where are the elk and deer? She said oh there right behind us we can see them all winter long. Then I asked well where do you think the wolves will be in the winter? You could see the light bulb turn on. She didn't want to talk anymore after that.

From: Ski-Skin
12-Jul-19

From: Whocares
14-Jul-19

Whocares's Link
This is what we're dealing with. Column in Duluth paper today by a Washington Post writer. Clever writer.

From: Whocares
14-Jul-19
Never posted a link before and evidently don't know how. Pull up Duluth News Tribune from today and look for the Opinion column, Nobody Eats Wolf. She cites Randy Newberg, but twists it from there.

From: trublucolo
14-Jul-19

trublucolo's Link
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/opinion/columns/3970325-National-View-Column-Nobody-eats-wolf

From: Whocares
14-Jul-19
Thanks Paul.

From: Ski-Skin
20-Jul-19
BS and Lies. Bring the Gray Wolf Home: The Time is Now

Rose Pray, Colorado Sierra Club Wolf Team Member Peak & Prairie, July 2019 1

“We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then and have known ever since that there was something new to me in those eyes – something known only to her and to the mountain.I was young then, and full of trigger-itch;I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean a hunters’ paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view.” Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac

Once, millions of bison and elk roamed the West, watched by two million gray wolves, who kept the world in balance. When the gray wolf, apex predator of the West, was replaced by another – man with his rifle – he nearly joined the ranks of extinct species such as the passenger pigeon. Today, there are fewer than 6,000 gray wolves existing in less than 15 percent of their historic range. One critical piece of the range is our great State of Colorado. The last gray wolf was killed in our State in 1945 – the missing link to a wildlife corridor that would sustain the gray wolf population from Canada to Mexico.

Why is the Gray Wolf so Vilified? We have examples where people rallied for the wolf: A feisty Yellowstone alpha female wolf named 06 (who single-handedly took down an elk to feed her puppies because her alpha male was still a playful teen), became a star in a National Geographic documentary (She Wolf) and in a best-selling novel (American Wolf).

OR 4 was the alpha male of the first pack to live in Oregon since 1947. For years, a state biologist tracked him, collared him, counted his pups, weighed him, photographed him, and protected him. OR 4 fathered over 30 puppies and survived far beyond a wolf’s life expectancy. The wolf and the biologist grew gray together. But in the end, both 06 and OR 4 were targeted and felled by man.

The gray wolf has faced misconceptions and long harbored fears since man came to his home. Some say wolves will devastate big game. The wolf is not a wanton killer. Life for him is a constant struggle to survive. 80 percent or more of hunting attempts end unsuccessfully and with great injury to the wolf. Wolves target sick and elderly prey, thus helping to maintain a healthier game population. Declines in elk, deer and moose numbers are as likely due to drought, over-grazing, and takes by other predators such as grizzlies, black bears, cougars, and coyotes. The viability of big Bring the Gray Wolf Home: The Time is Now

Rose Pray, Colorado Sierra Club Wolf Team Member Peak & Prairie, July 2019 2

game herds outside of Yellowstone is close to a 25-year high, with wolves fully restored. Recent documentation of increasing biodiversity has been attributed to the return of the wolf, an apex species, which has helped to restore the balance between prey and habitat.

Some say that wolves will destroy the cattle industry. In fact, more cattle die from digestive ailments, respiratory and metabolic problems, weather, poaching, accidents and coyotes than by wolf predation. Only 0.06 percent of total cattle deaths in the Northern Rockies (2010) were attributable to wolves. Most states handsomely compensate ranchers who lose livestock to wolves.

Are wolves a threat to humans and pets? Since the reintroduction of wolves to Yellowstone National Park (YNP) in 1995, not one of the over one hundred million visitors to YNP from 1995 to 2018, and 2.7 million tent campers in developed campgrounds or in the backcountry has been injured by a wolf. There is no known transmission of hydatid disease from a wolf to a human. Wolves are very shy around humans and their pets. The dogs killed by wolves have been hounds which were pursuing prey in wolf territory, seen by the wolves as competitors and interlopers.

Perhaps the Gray Wolf will come back to Colorado on his own. Wolf sightings have been few and far between. The few lone wolves which had successfully migrated to Summit County, for example, over the last ten years were either run over, or mistaken for coyotes and shot. A lone wolf cannot raise a family and establish a pack. We have a chance to bring the Gray Wolf home to Colorado. For the first time, Coloradans – not politicians, not bureaucrats – We, The People, may decide whether to reintroduce gray wolves to Colorado. We will only have this choice, though, if we can get the gray wolf on the 2020 ballot. State officials recently approved our ballot proposal, Initiative 107, that if passed would: ? Direct the State of Colorado to restore gray wolves to public lands west of the Continental Divide ? Require our Colorado Parks and Wildlife to implement a science-based wolf restoration plan ? Fairly compensate livestock owners for livestock losses caused by wolves We need to gather 200,000 signatures by mid-December to put the gray wolf on the 2020 ballot.

Bring the Gray Wolf Home: The Time is Now Rose Pray, Colorado Sierra Club Wolf Team Member Peak & Prairie, July 2019 3

Give Colorado voters a chance to weigh in. Give them a chance to review the history and science of the Gray Wolf and do the right thing. Please, help restore Colorado’s balance by helping to restore gray wolves to Colorado. You can help by volunteering to collect petition signatures or by donating to our Gray Wolf

Restoration Fund. Volunteer to collect signatures to get the wolf on the 2020 ballot. We’ll be offering training – in person and online – to form a team gathering signatures from friends, families and communities around the state. Once you sign up, we’ll contact you with the next steps to get started. Or, if you’d prefer to make a donation, the Sierra Club Foundation has established a taxdeductible way for you to help wolves return to Colorado. Your charitable donation to the Colorado Gray Wolf Restoration Fund will support the Colorado Sierra Club's wolf education and outreach efforts. Help us return the call of the wild. Join the Sierra Club and many other wildlife organizations to bring the gray wolf home to Colorado. “A mountain with a wolf on it stands a little taller.” Edward Hoagland, Red Wolves and Black Bears Sign Up to Volunteer Make a Donation

From: trublucolo
20-Jul-19

22-Jul-19
I do not want wolves in Colorado! there is no balance to be restored. Ski-skin is a troll, anti hunter. spreading false information about the beauty of bringing in the gray wolf. Don't be fooled by this sierra club member.

From: TRnCO
22-Jul-19
Donny, I don't think ski-skin is a troll. If you look at his posts above you will see that he signed up to receive Emails from the Sierra club and I think his last post is simply a cut and paste of an Email that he received recently. Just posting it here to show what we are up against.

From: Paul@thefort
22-Jul-19
I agree with TRnCO.

From: Paul@thefort
22-Jul-19
Also, I was VERY happy to see that the CBA contributed $5500.00 to the Stop The Wolf efforts. I just sent them $50. and at the CBA Jamboree, there was a bucket for more donations. my best, Paul

From: Dirk Diggler
22-Jul-19
Thanx for takein one for the team and signing up for the Sierra club emails and posting them here ski-skin.

From: trublucolo
22-Jul-19
Dirk X 2

From: Grasshopper
22-Jul-19
Paul At the last board meeting cba voted to give ten thousand to stop the wolf.

From: Paul@thefort
23-Jul-19
Steve, my bad,,,,,,,,,,,,, Yes 10,500 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the Stop the wolf.

Thanks for the correction, Paul

23-Jul-19
"takes by other predators such as grizzlies, black bears, cougars, and coyotes' How hilarious is that the same writer will be defending these predators in her nex op-ed...if it helps her spin her point..

From: Huntosolo
23-Jul-19
Picked up my daughter today at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo and as we walked out the gates I was approached by a twenty-something woman. She asked me if I would sign a petition to introduce wolves into Colorado. A sign of what is coming...

From: Paul@thefort
23-Jul-19
did you have a chance to educate her as why that is not a good idea?

From: Huntosolo
24-Jul-19
Paul, yes I did. I told her about the North American model of conservation and ‘actual’ wolf behavior. She was certainly caught off guard and probably not many she approached were very educated on the matter including herself.

From: Paul@thefort
24-Jul-19
She is getting paid for her petition service and signatures and it does not take any brains or understanding of the issue, to do so.

From: samman
30-Jul-19
I sent an opposition email at some point to Joe Neguse & now I get his e-mail updates. Here is the latest from him.

"I have spent my whole life nurtured by a love of animals – from my childhood dog Toby to my wife's and my dog Teddy who now serves as big brother to our daughter, animals have always been a source of comfort and peace for me and have been cherished members of my family.

Starting from the very first day I arrived in Congress, it has been my honor to stand-up for animals - from the pets that are treasured members of our families to the wildlife that roams the world - just as they have always been there for me.

Fighting against the delisting of gray wolves With just a few thousand left in the world, Gray Wolves need to remain protected While Colorado is part of the Gray Wolf’s native range, they were erased from the state by the 1940s. Over many years, the dedicated work of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and animal rights groups has helped restore Gray Wolves to Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, New Mexico and Arizona, and more and more of them are coming into Colorado and the Rockies during their natural migrations. It was this work that brought wolves back from the brink of extinction, and it will be the continuation of this work that fosters the wolves survival long into the future. The Administration has actively worked to delist Gray Wolves from these protections, which is why I authored a letter, along with my colleague Congresswoman Diana DeGette, to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service insisting on a longer public comment period and a public hearing in Denver on the decision to delist these wolves. And the people responded! As of July 15 over 1.8 million comments have been submitted in opposition to the delisting, which is one of the highest comment totals ever for a federal decision involving endangered species. I joined in those comments by signing a letter to the agency explaining the hazards of the potential decision to delist and stating my strong opposition to that decision. Wolves deserve and necessitate champions in each of us, and I’m proud to join in such strong advocacy. Each and every day that I have the honor of serving this community, I will continue this work." There was also some blurb about expanding Grizzly protections.

From: Grasshopper
30-Jul-19
I got the same email. What a nut job!

I live in Loveland. Dems and the gerrymandering put us in with Boulder. First we had Polis, then this guy. My vote no longer matters, while life ain't fair, it sure can piss a guy off.

From: RogBow
30-Jul-19

RogBow's Link
Few thousand left in the world? Literally 15 seconds searching the web disproved that.

From: Paul@thefort
31-Jul-19
"who now serves as big brother to our daughter". WHAT!

From: Paul@thefort
31-Jul-19
The pro wolfer's main theme is to "restore the critical balance of nature in Colorado" and across the Nation to their historic range.

I have yet to see or hear from them, what does that mean, using wolves to "restore the critical balance of nature"?-- in this day and year, 2019. in Colorado. The huge issue I see is that to the uneducated person about wolves in the Colorado landscape, is that this all sounds so cool, so good, so wonderfully emotional, so green, so good for the environment, and by supporting this introduction, they are doing something good and wonderful. It is all about WANT and not NEED.

I visited a Flat Top Wilderness lodge this week where I was elk scouting. At the lodge while having lunch, I asked the question to two people, would you support the Initiative 107, wolf introduction. Both said YES! After a lengthy conservation, one still said yes, and other stated, "I can see your points", but then, when it comes down to a vote, I bet she will vote yes.

There is no doubt that Ballot Initiative 107 will get all of the support it needs and will be on the Ballot for Colorado Voters to approve or not.

It will be interesting to see if the Pro Wolfers sue the USFWS next March over delisting the wolf nation wide. If so and likely, this issue could be hung up in the courts for a year or so. Then, even if Initiative 107 is approved by Colorado voters, and if the USFWS still has control over the listed/ protected status of the wolf in Colorado as they do now, hard to tell what the future might hold. Will the USFWS, if the wolf remains protected in Colorado, demand that Colorado develop a PLAN for the wolf like they did in Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho? Unlikely but then who really knows.

One thing is for sure, the Pro Wolfers will never stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Schwammerl
31-Jul-19
The Pro-Wolf group had paid signature gatherers standing on the public curb at the entrance to the RockyGrass festival in Lyons again this year. They were busy with plenty of folks signing. The worker I spoke with had no idea that hunters pay a large majority of the funds required to conserve wildlife. The employee was very young, cute, and clueless.

BTW, Del McCoury and Rhonda Vincent were awesome!

From: Treeline
11-Aug-19

Treeline's Link
Need to get this add out.

From: fishnride
13-Aug-19
That’s a really good video

From: Treeline
14-Aug-19
Had a wolf attack a family up in Banff a couple of days ago. Guess it was just one of the “misguided” ones...

From: RDHunts
15-Aug-19
Wolf attacks tent campers in Banff National Park in Canada. Maybe the Sierra Club can tell the general public reintroducing wolves is a good thing to do, but when wolves attack humans in the wild the Sierra Club also has a duty to inform the general public that what can happen with this reintroduction can be dangerous to humans, pets and the possibility of diseases. This could lead to false information by Sierra Club and possible law suits in my opinion. It's about time the general public really understands what reintroducing of wolves is all about. Hopefully an article like that can be posted in the Denver post.

From: linehunter
15-Aug-19
I donate to stop the wolf and email the politicians. That being said we are screwed! Even people I know who are fairly conservative say they would vote for wolves. The sheeple have no education to make this kind of decision. If this hits the ballot it'll be a landslide.

From: soccern23ny
15-Aug-19
Got back from Yellowstone National Park recently, learned a lot about the Geysers obviously and also wolves. At Yellowstone their removal resulted in a negative "trophic cascade" there. It was rather interesting.

From: sticksender
16-Aug-19
soccern23ny yes you learned some falsified science in which fur-stroking emotions are mixed with fake "scientific data" to create a big fib. It is useful propaganda created for the purpose of furthering a specific extremist animal-rights agenda. Failure to recognize man as the top predator on earth, is to simply deny reality. Unless we plan to move all 7.5 billion of us humans off planet earth, we need human-driven, human-centric management of our ecosystems planet-wide. Man is the top predator & meat eater. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

From: Glunt@work
16-Aug-19
What Yellowstone is missing is some guys with stick bows chasing critters. Humans were a natural part of the ecosystem for many thousands of years. I dont see a big push to restore that part of the natural balance.

From: Grasshopper
16-Aug-19

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Eevery mother in Colorado needs to read this lady's facebook post. It could singlehanded defeat 107.

From: Treeline
16-Aug-19
Sign me up Glunt!

From: soccern23ny
16-Aug-19
@sticksender.... What of their claims are inaccurate? What evidence do you have on the matter that trumps theirs? That shows wolves didn't have the impact they had? And that their removal wasn't directly/indirectly a result of subsequent changes to the ecosystem

@glutnwork...

fair point. However hunting is still allowed their(as well as fishing). Yearly they cull the bison herd with help of the native americans.

And @ grasshoper....

I dont see an account of 1 animal attack is really relevant? Did you know that yellowstone used to average near 40 bear attacks a year. Back when you used to be able to feed them. Now they average only about 1 a year. Mainly due to the fact that bears aren't purposely fed anymore, and the fact that they now have more carcass to scavenge thanks to the wolves. It's fairly well known that wolves are hard to see even at a half mile. Attacks on humans are beyond rare

From: Grasshopper
16-Aug-19
It would be waste of my time to even engage "Nick Nick". Pointless.

From: 1HankS
16-Aug-19
Since when did “culling” become hunting?

From: Treeline
16-Aug-19
Nick nick, when you get a chance, be sure to lick any wolf shit you come across...

From: soccern23ny
16-Aug-19
@1hanks...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting

guess what, the native americans didn't only hunt from sun up to sundown between september 1st and september 30th lol

@treeline... great rebuttal

all I did was state an interesting factoid that I learned during a trip to wyoming about wolves in that particular ecosystem. Not one person has stated anything substantial of fact on the matter.

From: Treeline
17-Aug-19
Of course the ecosystem in Yellowstone was screwed up.

Look at the long history of wildlife mismanagement that had occurred under the US Parks Administration - fire suppression, anti-anthropogenic hunting, extirpated predators (including humans) followed by a quantum shift to excessive predation with introduced non-native alpha predators.

Beautiful.

Yellowstone and the rest of the US Parks system is the poster child for how to take a special place and totally screw it up by experimenting with nature.

Humans are a part of the ecosystem. The Parks system does not recognize that fact and is significantly flawed due to that oversight. Ignoring the lessons learned from sustainable wildlife management, NPS is doomed to continued boom and bust wildlife population cycles in any of the areas under their control.

Those boom and bust cycles are extreme and, with inclusion of humans and controlled harvest to the equation, can be leveled out for long term sustainability.

Humans have the ability to provide for long term sustainable production and use of those big game animals.

Wolves do not have that capacity and will eat themselves to death, causing significant big game population swings over time.

From: soccern23ny
17-Aug-19
@treeline...

very true for a lot of that. The fire bit was a huge thing at yellowstone. Now they more or less allow fires/do prescribed burns.

As far as boom and bust cycles in regards to wolves in yellowstone. It's true they did just drop a bunch of apex predators in. The wolf population boomed, and the elk population plummeted. This(as explained by many a ranger) was due to the simple fact that the elk had lived so many generations predator free. And then one day, boom, wolves. Since then however the elk population has climbed back up and is level. And they said the wolf population hovers around 70-80 wolves naturally... that they do not add to or remove any wolves/dont manage the population.

As far as humans being able to "use and manage those animals". Yes and no, I'd say a natural balance of wolves and prey will always balance itself better than humans and prey could, especially when the ecosystem is essentially 100% natural little human interference as is the case for Yellowstone. And since humans 99.9% of the time can't hunt in a national park(a good thing IMO) a predator to control the population is needed. Especially when that predator had been there for a millennia already.

From: Dirk Diggler
17-Aug-19
Can you explain why the "100% natural ecosystem" that is Isle Royale never reached that "perfect balance"?

From: soccern23ny
17-Aug-19
@dirk diggler

I have no idea what Isle royale is/what your reference is in regards to...? I just googled it, a relatively small island that was made a national park in 1940.

edit... ah found some stuff.

https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2018/10/restocking-wolves-on-isle-royale-raises-questions-about-which-species-get-rescued/

an interesting one, since it sounds like the first wolves did get their naturally, yet also died naturally. However without a predator on the island it sounds like it's getting destroyed by moose. However if that's the natural course, than the island will adjust. So in this case reintroducing a wolf species that happened to barely get to the island in 1949, and was naturally wiped out isn't a good thing... or the same comparison to the wolves of yellowstone.

Perhaps this is another example like in yellowstone where man should do nothing.(like not removing the existing wolves in the first place)

From: Paul@thefort
17-Aug-19
There seems to be a big difference in WANT and NEED. The prowolfers WANT to bring back the wolf to it's historic range across the US regardless if there is a NEED. There may have been a need in Yellowstone but there is no NEED here in Colorado to force introduce the gray wolf. There are already a few wolves in Colorado and they are protected by the USFWS. The Colorado Wolf Plan allows them to migrate into Colorado unharmed. The Colorado Wildlife Commission is on record, "opposing the introduction of the wolf into Colorado" as they know what devastation the gray wolf will bring to certain species of the highly managed big game species we have here in Colorado, managed with hunter participation., who help maintain the balance of nature.

The pro wolfers claim that "once established here in Colorado, the wolf will bring back a "critical balance in nature". What critical balance in nature? I do not see Colorado's big game species, in a critical unbalance.. Personally, I have yet to hear what that means here in Colorado. I am insulted as a hunter, a conservationist, and a supporter of the CPW and the North American Conservation Model as we have spent millions of dollars in user fees to support scientific game management here in Colorado. The general public does not spent a dime for game management and the general public that might vote yes for the introduction of the wolf do not have a clue about game management. To them is is all about emotion and getting a false narrative from the prowolfers. The uneducated public believe they are doing their part for the Planet, or for the Green Movement, or for Global Warming, etc,. The DOW, now the CPW, has spent millions of man hours and million of dollars for the past 110 years, to establish the ten big game species we have now, to maintain the BALANCE OF NATURE, here in Colorado. We have some of the most robust big game species populations on the Planet and they are all managed through science base studies and population control using hunters and hunter dollars.

The prowolfers state, "the wolf was eradicated from Colorado by the early 1940. That may be true but the population of Colorado at that time was less that 1.2 million people. Today, Colorado's population is closing in on 6,000,000 and in the next 20 years, Colorado's population is estimated to be 10,000,000. Compare this with Montana's current population of 1.5 million and Wyoming, 666,000. The point here is, CHANGE, change in Colorado's population and population density across the state. Hardly room for man or beast. Room for a new Apex predator, the gray wolf? NOT!

The prowolfer state, the wolf will only be released on Public Land and if on private land no regulations will be developed to discriminate. Another false narrative for sure.

The prowolfer state, the wolf will only be released west of the Divide. That may be true but does the wolf know where the Divide is. Another false narrative for sure.

The prowolfer state that a fund will be established to pay for domestic animal wolf kills. Sure, user fees, ie, hunt and fisherman license fees, (game cash that would have been use to scientific study other big game species, law enforcement, infra structure, etc.

At one of the Commission meeting where the prowolfers were protesting, a rancher testified that his cattle, his horses, his sheep, his etc, were not just dumb animals but part of the family to be carried and looked after and he was insulted that if a wolf killed one of his animals, he would have to prove it was a wolf kill, and then he might be paid that the animal was worth, an animal he had cared for. ie, just another dumb animal according to the prowolfers.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE FORCED INTRODUCTION OF THE GRAY WOLF TO COLORADO. There is no doubt the WANT comes for a few prowolfer organizations and about what they think is best for Colorado. Ballot Initiatives are not the way to manage Colorado's wildlife. Too bad we are being dealt that hand.

WANT and NEED, there is a BIG difference. my best, Paul

From: Dirk Diggler
17-Aug-19
What it tells you is there's no such thing as a hands off "balanced ecosystem". Left unchecked it's boom and bust. We as hunters have the ability to balance an ecosystem without the boom and bust in populations. We won't kill till theres few left taking decades for a species to then recover. That Disney video they've produced about how the wolf changed the river is exactly that, a Disney video. They've decimated the moose population in wyoming. They are a killing machine and they waited to long to start to do something about them. Montana and Wyoming have a much lower human population density than Colorado. Once they've wiped out our moose in short order we will then have a much higher rate of wolf/livestock/human conflicts. They took away our spring bear hunt here thru the ballot box and now CP&W kills over 200 problem bears/year at a great waste of sportmens dollars. Shortly after they dump wolves here, via the ballot box, they will be wasting more sportsmen's dollars, managing problem wolves and reimbursing livestock producers for their losses. There's just no longer the room here for them. We don't have the ability to turn the clock back 200yrs......

From: soccern23ny
17-Aug-19
completely wrong, that island without humans will balance itself. If the wolves dont' make it to the island, the moose will over eat, run out of food and die, lowering the moose population to a sustainable amount. That's not "boom and bust" that's nature.

and as far the yellowstone wolves, and the "disney video" it's hard to refute the correlations between wolves disappearing, the subsequent negative changes, and then the return of the wolves and the subsequent reversal of nearly all those negative changes. That's not "smoke and mirrors" from some video. That's decades of environmental science and field observations and studies that have correlated just that.

And I never said in this thread there was room for wolves in colorado, I agree to an extent that it's difficult to turn back time like you say(for colorado)... and we aren't yellowstone with 2 million plus continuous acres of pure wilderness for wolves to roam.

From: Dirk Diggler
17-Aug-19
I know you've drank the koolaid, and nothing I say will change your mind. You said this:

"As far as humans being able to "use and manage those animals". Yes and no, I'd say a natural balance of wolves and prey will always balance itself better than humans and prey could, especially when the ecosystem is essentially 100% natural little human interference as is the case for Yellowstone."

And I suggested you look at Isle Royale. That island has never been "in balance". Either the moose are starving out, or the wolves are starving out. How is that balance?

From: Dirk Diggler
17-Aug-19

From: Paul@thefort
18-Aug-19
well the island without humans surely has un- balanced itself recently. So much so that now, the wolf population was/is down to only two wolves. Having wolves in this closed system has not allowed an expanded genetic base so now there are thoughts of importing more wolves. Pack rivalry, cross breeding, disease, lack of prey was the down fall of the past wolf population and I would expect any future wolf packs.

From: BlazerZR2
19-Aug-19

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This article just came up in my feed - Coronation Island is another example. Wolves introduced, wolves eat almost all deer on island, wolves eat each other, wolves wipe themselves out, years later deer come back a flourish. This is no balance.

From: Hank_S
28-Aug-19
News story on the local NBC station about the efforts to get this on the ballot in 2020; the why, how, kept calling it a re-introduction, said that they have 1/2 of the number of signatures needed.

From: Treeline
28-Aug-19
Why isn’t the wolf attack on the news across the west!?

From: RDHunts
29-Aug-19
Ctas and the CBA donated money to fight the reintroduction of wolves. How is this money being spent. Are these two organizations writing articles in the Denver post so the general public can see some real facts from the other side, the general public is the one group that needs to be educated on wolves.

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