CO Leftover List is up!
Colorado
Some sweet tags on there!
How are there dozens of leftover tags for a unit when the draw success rate with zero points is only 80% My buddy didn't draw, and now he has to scramble for a leftover? WTH?
I plan to be pissed off as usual come 9:01 to 9:31 am next monday......... LOL
Turnback tags? People didn’t pay for tags?
New this year - Reversals - pg 16 of the Regs
Turnback tags don't go onsale until the 16th, the way I read the regs.
Comparing the draw recaps and the list they have to have some turn backs on the list already.
Jaquomo there are reissued tags on that list
Got it - I thought reissued/retuened tags didn't go on sale until later in the month.
There's a whole lot more than there was in the leftover draw!
That's because that list includes the first batch of returned tags. It also has all the tags that went unpaid for by the end of the payment period.
I haven't looked hard at it. Between what I drew and OTC elk there's no time for another tag. Wife is already talking like a hunters widow. 8^)
"Between what I drew and OTC elk there's no time for another tag."
That there is crazy talk....
This is pretty good reading if you are going to go for a tag
https://coloradooutdoorsmag.com/2019/07/31/2019-leftover-license-tips/?utm_source=CPW-Web&utm_medium=Feature-3&utm_campaign=Leftover-Day-Guide-COMag-2019
Couple of takeaways:
If you have logged into CPWshop.com before 9 a.m. and are waiting for leftover licenses to go on sale, only go as far as the residency page. If you go past this page prior to 9 a.m. in an effort to get ahead and purchase faster, you will need to log out and back in once leftover licenses are on sale in order to purchase
Also, if you plan on “camping out” at some office. Be sure and check with that office. Some of them do a lottery instead of first come first served
Reissued Licenses – All additional reissued hunt codes that aren’t on the initial leftover list will be randomly added starting Aug. 13. When reissued licenses are available, the new hunt codes will appear on the list Tuesday thru Friday (throughout the season) from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Great info txhunter. Thanks!
Leftover question; Here is the scenario. I drew a List A tag for a doe. There are some better List A buck tags in the Leftover List. Can I buy the Leftover buck tag, and then return my List A doe tag? Likely, will not happen, given my past success with the Leftover license madness, but interested in the rules in this regard. I will try calling the CPW with the same question. David.
Yes, but you must return the doe license first, and it must me removed from your account before you can purchase another A list license.
what does it mean float in the numbers of license available.
It means that the licenses can be purchased for whichever of the seasons you prefer in the float group (usually float 2nd and 3rd rifle).
I guess I better go get in line...........
Question, I look in the 2019 brochure and it shows a hunt code as say AF01301A but the list above shows AF013O1A. One is an "O" and the other is a "0." Which is correct?
A = Antelope
F = Female
013 - Unit number [13]
O 1 = Hunt Dates [First season]
A = Archery
This is explained on page 17 of the Regs - top of page
Yes, I understand the above. Perhaps I was ambitious in my question. See the discrepancy in my pics.
“O” is not “0”
It’s gotta be a typo, it should be an O, and not a zero. As far as I know there is 4 letters for that, E for early, L for late, P for private lands, and O for open lands...
I could be mistaken but that was my understanding of it...
I'm already in line but will be out of beer by about 6 pm. Can somebody please bring me another 12 pack of Odells 90 Shilling?
Tho expand on what Cnelk posted.
A - Antelope
F- Sex
013- unit (ALL numeric)
O1- season (the first value of this code is alphabetic for ALL codes followed by a numeric value)
R- Weapon
That 6th value in the codes is always the one that folks mess up when they try to plow through the CPW shop. Not a typo in the regs. Good luck tomorrow folks!
Jaq......come on over and get in line with me.....I've got Barrel Bourbon 19............
There are some really good leftover tags, who knew it was going to be like this? Notes for next year; new strategy to include 90 Schillings and Barrel Burbon19. :-)
Ready,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Set………………...Wait for it...…………….
Imagine the looks on some of their faces when the bucket of number tickets comes out.
During the heyday of the Cabelas sidewalk sale (pre-IPO) when prices were unbelievable, people used to start camping in line 5 days before the gun went off. I have a series of panorama photos of a line a half mile long.
Winded, another tip - make sure there are tall bushes wherever you are camping out...
Damn....outta whiskey.....hold my place be right back......
There's a line to get online! Never seen that before. They must be queuing people to prevent a crash.
And hit "PROCEED" and nothing.....
looks like they TRIED to prevent a crash...proceed is not proceeding
looks like they TRIED to prevent a crash...proceed is not proceeding
looks like they TRIED to prevent a crash...proceed is not proceeding
They put me back in line to get on the website. It says I'm "almost there!"
I'm in but held up at the cart with my choice.
Choice confirmed, Waiting to pay.
Been saying 2 minutes for the last 8 minutes...
Damn! Now 1 minutes for ??!!!!???
Now it says I missed my spot in the queue and they started me over. But it never redirected me like it promised. This is a mess. Again.
Maybe instead of emailing the CPW about losing 1 damn day of archery season, email them about getting this Leftover mess fixed so RESIDENTS can apply first
I think they'd just as soon sell every single one to NRs.
Waiting..waiting..................
LMAO!!!! Oh the drama! Always an adventure.........to hell.
The broken leftover day process has been so bad it's become comical. They know what to expect and still wont fix it or change the process to spread out demand.
Causing customers frustration due to something completely under your control over and over is poor business. They are lucky they don't have any competition.
It also shows apathy or ineptness. Customers then start to wonder if the other stuff you do gets handled this way. Those who blindly trust the CPW to manage wildlife and the access to tags start wondering if they are handling other tasks as poorly as they handle this.
All the way to the finish line and "no quota"
Didn't get my list B deer tag. Bummer!
Well after an unlucky season in the draws I actually got a tag easy this morning.
What is frustrating is you can confirm your choices & it will say if they are available or not. Put the available ones in your cart & by the time you confirm your credit card, they are gone. Seems like once in your cart they should be removed from the available list. If you fail to pay, they could go back on the list.
Got a couple in my cart but couldn't get checked out before they were gone.
It went well for me last year. Slow as hell but was still able to get in. Cant believe they put people in queue before 9am. Whats up with that?
Kicked out at the cart, no quota left.
This state is a shitshow.
I guess it doesn't matter to CPW that the system is a disaster because they will sell out no matter what. Typical government agency. "Of the people, by the people, for the people"..
What a joke how could they put people in the quie before 9 a.m.
Didn't get any pf my preferred choices. All gpne before I had a chance to pay. But my PLO tags went thru!
Wow. We all sat patiently for 9:00 and they put others in the queue before 9:00 and the patient ones come up short? Ridiculous. Are the servers in Oklahoma?
Glad I went online rather than going to Fort Collins and getting a wristband or waiting in line somewhere. Missed out on a 4th season deer tag that was my first choice but did get an Eastern Plains deer archery tag plus a cow elk PLO tag. The system was slow but didn't have too much difficulty.
I was in the queue at 8:50, then when it finally said "Its your turn!" at 9:05, it bumped me out and to the back of the line to start over, instead of automatically taking me to CPWShop. Scolded me with a message that "I missed my chance". Nice. Of course, all licenses were gone by the time they resuscitated me.
That's crazy since the queue is after the residency page. I think a lot of people stayed on the residency page and the others went past it and were put in queue early.
The CPW employees probably got in first
I actually got in the queue at 8:50, at 9am clicked proceed, went all the way up to pay. It got really slow at that point then no tags were left for that unit.
Ha ha, typical leftover day blues.
I dont know of anyone that got any tags besides a cow tag that had 300+ leftovers.
They put me in the queue the moment I filled in the residency info. I never clicked "proceed". Will be interesting to see how successful people were who went to a license agency.
That sucked. Big fat 0 across the board. Guess I could still pick up a rifle bear tag or a late season private land cow elk tag...
Really sucks to see all the leftover buck rifle tags that were available in the units I was looking at (probably still some available in those units) and how few archery tags were available. Like 300-400 buck rifle tags and less than 10 archery tags. Won't be worth hunting those units in the next few years after CPw kills off all the bucks...
As far as I could tell the queue was just for getting logged into the system and I did that at about 8:55. The free-for-all started at 9 when we could click proceed, then it was just a race to see who could type the fastest and not stumble over missed radio buttons, scroll of the T&Cs, etc.
A friend of mine was at Big R waiting in line. I informed him the tag he wanted was sold out before he got to the counter. I also waited at the residency tab until 9. Clicked on proceed & it showed me getting in line again. I guess you need to check out as soon as you put something in your cart instead of going back shopping for more tags like I did.
7 swings and 7 misses for me all on deer tags lol
First time I ever made it thru all this and got a tag out of it. 22 Elk tags available and there were still 14 left after I got mine. Because the way the online purchase worked I did not know that I had got my List B Deer tag as it seemed like it kicked me out as soon as I clicked the purchase button after entering my card number. So I did it all again with the same results, but on my 3rd try it gave me a warning message whenI entered the hunt code telling me I had already reached my quota for that hunt code. Apparently I bought 2 list B Deer tags, so I actually ended up with more than I wanted originally. Not going to complain about that.
Glad to see this thread and see I wasn't the only one. That was a joke and I had spent all last night preparing and logged in an hour early this morning and kept refreshing and getting to the page where I needed to wait. Hit start at straight up 9 mountain and it started slow but I got to the hunt code page pretty quick. From there it would not go any further and would never add to the cart. Kept spinning the thinking wheel and then would give me an "oops" message error on their side. Did that from approximately 09:01 to 9:11.
Finally got tired of trying it and hit the cart to see if that would help. Bad idea! Booted me out to the waiting in que pop-up you all are talking about. Got back in only in time to find all hunt codes sold out. OTC it is. Oh well, just frustrating that is their idea of a system. Definitely not much fair about that. I sent my e-mail of frustration, but it won't matter. Good luck to you all this year.
KHunter - EE076O1A was never on the list in the first place, how did you get that? Was it added after July 30th?
People will ways be disappointed when they don't win the lottery. What the CPW could control is people being disappointed in the process. It's been solved many times before.
Being kicked out, people getting in line before others believe the line can start, losing items that are in you cart are all preventable things causing frustration.
Kirby, I read on another thread that 76 sucks.. ;-)
I went to a DPW office and was fortunate enough to pay for a tag - after my payment was processed it gave an error that there were no tags left. Just checked online and I was not awarded a tag, but the payment was processed by my bank. Ugh....now I have to sort this mess out with DPW.
Damn, I did not see a 76 tag on the list. Nice work. I can't believe you got that!
Did anyone else get a message that they could not purchase a B tag because you reached the limit on B tags? Put in for a B tag cow leftover and received the message stated above. I only have one elk tag so far so I don't understand. Oh well what can you do. Congrats to those that didn't have any issues.
Didn't see that 76 elk tag on the list either... Heck of a score!
There were 76 archery deer tags though.
Kind of wonder what will happen if I just keep trying for tags that are not on the list? Maybe keep trying for different sheep tags???
Treeline - I'm wondering the same thing.
Gents, look at the price on the tag. Even better that it was discounted below 2019 prices. Hint hint.
I wish tags were magically available but alas they are not...
Other than sheep I have zero Colorado tags.
KHunter.....the new ZingBot
KHunter - Good one, I was wondering if you were having a little fun with us....
Good thing I didn't spend much time trying to punch in random codes.....just tried a couple. :)
Oh I tried a few myself....happy leftover day.
When you have 100,000 people trying to get 50,000 tags there are going to be a lot of people that don’t get “lucky”. There’s no reason to whine about it. Figure 50-100 people were trying to get the same tag you were. It’s like playing the lottery and whining you didn’t win. The alternative is they don’t reissue tags. If enough people complain maybe they’ll go back to that’s more and then you don’t have to worry about being disappointed because you won’t have a chance at all! Smh...
The system worked fine it was just a supply and demand issue. It didn't appear to crash like last year. No I didn't get me deer tag but I did get a cow tag I was after after 15 minutes of waiting and finally got through.
Not everyone will get the tags they want. Just be thankful we have the opportunity to get leftovers and re-issues while sitting at work on a computer.
Didn’t get an elk tag, but I did get a whitetail only b tag, hopefully I can arrow two bucks this year!
I didn’t see any crashes, and I see no reason to complain...
Funny, Khunter! I whiffed on 9 deer tags, then 2 elk tags, then picked up my 10th choice deer tag...now I can get a capped bear tag near my house though too, so it wasn't a bad morning!
The trick is you have to be in Peru to get a tag. Connection was slow as hell, but I got the one I wanted! Wepaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Khunter, I thought there was a good chance you where yanking our chain, but I cursed your name nonetheless!
You know whats crazy as much as people talk up the leftover list reissue tags and never miss a chance to post something cool or a great tag they got or heard about somebody getting..... that more people haven't caught on
It "crashed" on me when it said I was being redirected to the CPWStore, went down for an instant, came back up and said I missed my chance, so go to the back of the line.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a staggered system throughout the day by species, at least. Or even more granular. That way you don't have 100K people all jumping in at 9:00.01.
A one day random draw...5 bucks a pop...so everybody doesn't put in 100 things...they make a some money and the craziness subsides a bit
I was able to snag a 2nd rifle season buck tag. It's not an early season, high alpine archery tag, but at least I get to go hunting.
Still thousands of rifle tags left for most species all over the state. This is as of 3:30 p.m. MDT.
Took 16 minutes waiting in the que for the system to tell me that the 40 deer tags were gone. Got my muzzy doe antelope tag though!
For those conspiracy theorists thinking the CPW keep the good tags for themselves, I have a couple dozen CPW employee email addresses registered on the app. They're just as desperate as we are.
KHunter- I was gonna say, is that the 4th year in a row now? You had me going there for a second. Thought it was really your OTC unit now!
For those advocating for All Draw, maybe the CPW should start with all draw for leftovers
Fauntlerot
If CPW folks are using business emails for personal gain, I’m betting that against state policy.
At least it is where I work.
^^^ And I could CORA those addresses from you.
With 90%+ of the total draw tags going to rifle and 10% for archery, not surprised. Hell there were hundreds of rifle tags for deer in the units I was trying to get one of less than 10 for deer. Total BS tag allocation!
I heard cpw slowed down internet requests inside Colorado so non residents would get first shot at the tags since cpw generates so much more revenue from non resident tags!
Pulled 3 tags, all flatheads with a boomstick, the only 3 I tried for.
I worked on my car, decided not to bother with the leftover tags. After reading this I guess I made the right decision. Seems like they got us groveling for a few crumbs.
No problem for me. I tried three different tags and all was gone than tried a fourth and behold I pick up a B tag for cow elk.
We got our turkey tags. --------------------------------
I don't think a staggered release by species would work. Then instead of 100k people going for 50k tags, you'd have 80k people going for 10k tags. By having all species at once, you spread out the people going for elk vs deer vs pronghorn etc and at least its more random.
I really think all they need to do is NOT add any nonpayment/returned/reissued ahead of the reissue date. Those tags are what cause the madness.
Went to local Big R and got my tag. I’ll be, I’m never that lucky. 1 tag in 54 for Archery Mule Deer and I got it. Any help from anyone who’s hunted 54?
There's usually 20+ people in line where I go, this year there was 5. The teller said that CP&W told them to expect less traffic. I was first in line and out by 9:03 with the tags I wanted. Sure glad they started the online thing. Had 2 other buddies first in line at other places, they got the tags they wanted too.
Got my leftover bull tag!
Next years tactics include finding a po dunk town that sells tags so I’m the first and only in line. What a shitshow
Next year the leftovers will be all thru a drawing.
Not reissued, only leftovers
Prolly still a shit show tho
Guys complaining about a second chance at tags is beyond me.
It’s like winning the lottery and bitching about paying taxes on the free money.
Caz, I agree with your sentiment, but taxation is theft, I’d bitch any time the government stole my money, no matter how I got it!
^^ that’s what the Commissioner meetings notes say. A Secondary Draw next year
We already have a secondary draw. Theres going to be a third?
For those that dont want to research and/or follow the Commissoners Agenda Regulatory Items about the Secondary Draw, here is it - or see link to see the entire document.
SEE #7
6. Leftover Licenses, Drawing Provisions and Restrictions a. Elk, deer, pronghorn and bear licenses which are not issued through the regular drawing will be issued as "leftover" licenses, (through one "leftover" drawing process if the number of "leftover" licenses is sufficient to justify the administrative cost).
b. Only persons who apply for a limited license and who are unsuccessful are eligible for the leftover license drawing. Applicants for the leftover drawing may only apply for the same species that they applied for in the initial drawing.
c. Any eligible hunter, ages 12 – 17 shall receive preference for leftover deer and elk licenses.
d. Any active duty member of the United States Armed Forces stationed at any military facility in Colorado and actively deployed outside the United States, or any active duty member of the United States Armed Forces who is a Colorado resident and is deployed outside the United States, shall be allowed a preference for the purchase of leftover licenses prior to their sale to the general public.
e. Group applications are not accepted for leftover licenses. 22
f. Applicants must apply on-line or over the phone following the regular drawing.
g. Applications must be submitted no later than 8:00 PM Mountain Time on the first Tuesday in July, annually. Applications not submitted by this deadline are void.
h. Applications not submitted by the first Tuesday in July, annually, will become void. hi. Leftover Ranching for Wildlife licenses will not be available through the standard over-the-counter leftover process. For information regarding the availability of these licenses on a first-come, first-served basis, please refer to the big game drawing brochure or call the Division at (303) 297-1192.
7. 2020 Secondary Draw, Leftover Licenses, Drawing Provisions and Restrictions
a. Starting in 2020, elk, deer, pronghorn and bear licenses which are not issued through the regular drawing will be issued through a secondary drawing process if the number of remaining licenses is sufficient to justify the administrative cost.
b. Any eligible hunter, ages 12 – 17 shall receive preference for the secondary draw for elk, deer, pronghorn and bear licenses.
c. There is no landowner preference for the secondary draw.
d. Any active duty member of the United States Armed Forces stationed at any military facility in Colorado and actively deployed outside the United States, or any active duty member of the United States Armed Forces who is a Colorado resident and is deployed outside the United States, shall be allowed a preference for the purchase of leftover licenses prior to their sale to the general public.
e. Group applications are not accepted for the secondary draw.
f. Applicants for the secondary draw must apply on-line or over the phone following the regular drawing.
g. Secondary draw applications must be submitted no later than 8:00 PM Mountain Time the first Tuesday in July. Applications not submitted by this deadline are void.
h. Secondary draw applications not submitted by 8:00 PM Mountain Time the first Tuesday in July, will become void.
i. Except for Ranching for Wildlife licenses, any licenses remaining after the secondary draw, will be placed on the leftover license list and will become available through the standard over-the-counter leftover process. For information regarding the availability of leftover Ranching for Wildlife licenses available on a first-come, first-served basis, please refer to the big game drawing brochure or call the Division at (303) 297-1192.
I just don't see the "secondary draw" having any major effect. If the secondary draw was the solution, people would just be checking the Leftover Draw box now. The people waiting for Leftover day do it because they don't want to commit to buying a tag until the last chance, and they don't want a delay in knowing - they either immediately get it or they don't.
That looks that same as what they do now. the only reason the leftover day is a shit show is because they are putting re-issued tags and non paid for tags on the initial list
I am having a hard time parsing out any difference. It says after the secondary draw, which we have now if you select it as your non-draw option back in the first draw, the leftovers will be sold through the standard over the counter leftover process. I presume that means leftover day 2020, just like 2019, 2018, etc., etc. So the formatting is different and there is new verbage but the effect does not appear to change the process as I "understand" it.
So again cnelk, is there going to be a third draw? The language is confusing, you read it one way, i read it another.
It looks like the leftover draw will simply be delayed until the first Tuesday in July. The reissue tags added to the list as usual after that.
Picked up 4th for me and 2 good tags for my daughter. I’m all set now. Idaho Archery elk, 76 muzzleloader elk, 99 buck antelope, and 33 4th rifle muley, and Illinois whitetail. Need more vacation...
The leftover draw will be abandoned, and the secondary draw will be adopted. Anyone can apply in the secondary, the leftover draw was solely for primary draw applicants.
I looked at it, we commented on step one, and decided as a board not to object. At the time the issue was presented, reissue tags were not in the leftover draw. That is where the nuggets of gold are. Will those be in the secondary draw, not sure but if so it will drive demand and lots of $7 & $9 app fees. Supposedly app fees are "break even", I think the vendor gets half. If you consider fixed and variable costs, I would think at some point you cover fixed costs and are in the black.
Otc w caps bear tags are on sale now.
Thanks Steve....I thought the secondary draw was limited to those who participated in the primary draw and only for the same species for which you entered..........Upon reading again I see that is a big change for 2020. #imadork LOL
CPW would be idiots not to include the unpaid and returned tags in the secondary. The applications could be nearly as high as the primary I suspect....and the odds to draw substantially lower for particular tags. LOL
This could substantially change leftover day as you would presume the bulk of the high value tags would be gone in the secondary draw if they are included......so the 2020 leftover list following the secondary draw would not be nearly as enticing.
I guess we will have to wait and see.
Thx Rog......that cost me $50 LOL
Now I have an archery bear tag to go with my deer tag. Seeing that post about bears killing new born elk in the spring motivated that purchase.
Thanx Steve. So the whining has taken away the resident advantage.
Yeah congrats to all the whiners! Now we have another draw with 1/100th of the tags available from the first draw, so the odds will be dismal. Then everyone can whine about that too.
Im betting the new Secondary draw will require a 'qualifying license' just like the initial draw.
And that will cause whining too
Brad is right. There is no qualifying license required for the leftover currently. I assume they’ll require it and I hope they do.
has nothing to do about whining its all about more $$$$. More app fees plain and simple
So will the new leftover draw limit NRs to the same percentage quota of tags as for the regular limited draw? If so, could be an advantage for residents.
The odds will definitely change for the 50,000 people who apply for the one Unit 76 elk tag. The odds will go way up for the 50 people applying for 33 bull elk tags in a different unit (assuming reissue tags are included like this year).
Removes the internet factor from the equation. I drove 60 miles to get a faster connection to try for a bull tag for my girlfriend who had a meeting and couldn't get online. I made it through the queue by one minute after 9 and was in the store, when I was suddenly bounced out and to the back of the line with a "Sorry, you missed your turn" message on the screen. 20 minutes later the tags were gone, and there were quite a few to start. I'm not "whining" about not getting her preferred tag. She can still get a leftover B list cow tag. Rather, I'm pissed because I spent the time and gas money, did exactly what I was supposed to do and the system failed me.
It will be a different dynamic, but in some ways this may be a positive change.
Jaq it doesn’t change the fact that there are too many people trying for limited tags. Would you have felt better if you got an instant response that the tag was unavailable vs having it kick you out? In the end, it’s the same outcome. Someone hit enter quicker or had a quicker internet. I tried for an antelope tag. First in line, hit enter right at 9:00:21 seconds. I didn’t get the tag, with 7 available. Life’s not fair, and I moved onto my b list cow tag.
the problem was their were guys with tags in their carts well before 9 A.M.
Not true. You can’t put a tag in your cart before 9am. It kicks you out. Even if you’re at cabelas it doesn’t even give you the option to plug in the tag until 9am. It just shows a voucher option. At 9am you click on the big gam species and then add in the code. I sat and watched the guy try at 859 and he had to get back in at 9am.
Your right they weren't in their carts but there are a bunch of threads talking about guys being at the hunt code page before 9 thus giving them a head start
Orion, I was in the queue at 8:40 but that didn't let me into the hunt code page or the store until exactly 9:00.
UCSD, if I had one of the 33 tags in my cart at 9:01 and discovered all 33 were gone during payment, not a problem. I get it. Somebody beat me to it. It's not the outcome that pissed me off. But the system failed me this time even though I did everything exactly by the book.
The leftover process went great in my opinion. I'd give it a B- for my online experience. Logged in at 8:55, hit proceed at 9am and got my 3 tags by 9:15.
I can only blame myself.....I got to the residency and bdate page.....entered my info......clicked go......and the page refreshed and looked the same. Instead of scrolling down (where the species were) I entered my residency and bdate again.......only to realize I forked up but too late. By the time it refreshed it was over.......sigh......
The change that we'll see on our end for next years leftovers will be that antelope/bear will be available, and we won't need to check the box to be eligible to play.
Lou- You bring up a good point about non resident quotas and who gets preference. Historically we haven't used points and nobody had preference over anyone cause they were leftover tags. However, the way they worded it now as a "Secondary Draw" and not a "Leftover Draw" would seem to indicate that the tags haven't changed title to a "Leftover Tag" which don't require the use of preference points. While it's been available to us for a very long time, very few of us have been checking the box and this hasn't been a problem.
To the regulatory notes that Cnelk posted I don't see anything that would indicate that preference points are being used. I imagine that since they didn't specifically address whether preference points are used, they won't be??? They address it in the regular draw. If so I hope it's a completely random draw as the demand is gonna far outstrip the supply with goats/bear and no need to go out of our way to click on a digital box anymore. They did address that they would only do this if there were enough tags to justify the administrative costs, but we all know it will happen at least once just to see how it goes. I'll have time to dig into his link this weekend sometime. I hope that a few of the Commissioners are justifiably proud of themselves for getting preference to youth 12-17.
Also, all tags that slip through this secondary drawing will be placed on the leftover list and sold on the proverbial "Leftover Day" that we had on Tuesday. Any tags after that will get reissued in the same manner they are currently. Or at least that's how I understood it from Ms. Isenhart.
Fauntleroy, what do you mean by the statement on youth preference? I have 2 youths and have busted butt trying to get them tags in the leftover.
I mean that a few of the Commissioners busted their butts for us to get preference to our young hunters. I really do hope that they celebrate their hard work. I know that I've got some kids that are gonna take advantage of it as well and couldn't be more excited. Just trying to give credit to those that deserve it is all.
Just think if the new Secondary Draw did require PPs...
Starbux, a youth or military person will get the tag before you or i will. Its a nice wrinkle. I just hope the returned tags and tags that went unpaid for dont end up in the new secondary draw for my own selfish reasons.
Cnelk - If they could make it worth the administrative cost it might be a way to chip away at preference points since they haven't labeled these as Leftover Tags. Still need to get to your link.
Wasnt there supposed to be a bunch more tags released today at 9am?
Reissues that weren't on the list for last Tuesday were supposed to be released starting today.
yep all gone.. it's over til next year.
elkmo you have nailed it.
elkmo you have nailed it.
Know a subscriber that's headed to the Bells with DM043E1R in his pocket after yesterday.
At least the archery tags are becoming available to us this year.
Codes are popping for archery tags I'm watching but they are gone before I can even get close to logging in to buy.........
EE 007 O1 A had 2 tags....gone in a second
EE 012 O1 A had one......gone.
LOL
I've tried to get 2 tags over the last 24 hours and they were gone quick. Both times I was in the system and had the hunt code punched in within 20 seconds of getting the notification. One code had 2 tags turned in and they were both gone. I find it hard to believe that 2 other accounts had logged in and taken them within 20 seconds. Something funny is going on....
Still love the app and think its my best best of picking up leftover tags. Is there a delay in getting notifications?
rename it Gone In 60 Seconds. lol
I'd actually forgot to turn my app on, until reading this thread. Probably don't want to be tempted though, with the schedule of events already in place. Good luck to you all.
I was able to get two tags with the app yesterday, just gotta be very quick getting into the system to purchase. I also missed out on one or two where I dawdled to confirm season dates or something like that.
There is inherently going to be some lag in any app like this, but it's not the app's fault. The app has to scan the list for your codes and send them to you. I am certainly no code writer, but I imagine it depends on the number of codes you are searching for, and the speed of your internet or wifi service at the time.
At the moment we search the list once per minute a few seconds after the minute. We're testing a new script this week that will send notifications to you the second new tags become available. Seems to be working and we'll have that running shortly. At that point it'll come down to how good your cell service is along with how efficient your phones processor works.
Keep using that app and giving me the few seconds I need. I’ll keep using my method.
Saw a couple interesting tags pop up today but I've resolved to go OTC with my long time hunting buddy from MO.
Ucsdryder - Better get to getting that tag cause the games about to change.
Thanks Faunt, already got one. Passed up a 4 point tag I should have grabbed, but the season is pretty full so I’m holding out for something special.
Had DM036E1R in the cart and ready to buy yesterday afternoon, but September is already crazy!
Just curious - What is the best tag to show up on the leftover list? Highest points not used to get a leftover? Last years left over ram tag was special.
Sandbrew
I saw an 18 point tag on Wednesday
18 resident or nonresident. which one?
I picked up a 2pt cow elk tag today :)
Vids you must mean that unit 851 bear tag. may be a 14 point tag but it ain’t a “real” 14 point tag like what a high end 14 point elk/deer/lope would be...
One thing to keep in mind, for any re-issue that is a rifle tag, is that once that particular season has started, you won't be allowed to buy that tag on-line, by phone, or at a sales agent. No matter what species. You must visit a CPW office location in person, in order to buy it. So for example, when there was an EE201 early season rifle elk tag that showed up on the list on Oct 5th last year, it could not be purchased on-line because the season was already open when it was posted. Same for 2 different rifle ram tags that popped up last year as re-issues, both during their respective season dates. That's a regulation that would be nice to see changed, because this is really an unintended consequence of the original rule's purpose.
KHunter - Yes, that's the one I saw. It's a "real" 18 point tag according to the draw stats, but yeah I don't understand why when there are plenty of good bear units for 0-2 points. I've asked before why those Bosque bear tags go for so many points but folks on here are rather tight lipped about it.
Vids, I have a ridiculous 18 bear points. I collect them because they are cheap and available and with no real ‘plan’ cuz as you say we have good bears everywhere in Colo. available for no points.
sticksender, CPW staff has to hunt too! That rule gives them a chance to hunt. LOL, I think...Hmm.
Last year 2 unit 44 4th rifle deer popped up first day of season. Seriously bad timing...
Sticksender, I believe Fauntleroy is working on that.
KHunter - I'm in the same boat, I think I have 12 bear points or something like that. No idea what I'm going to do with them, may hunt the Bosque someday just to see what it's about. Or maybe not....
Ya, I choose the maybe not route last year. Cashed in 12 bear points on a 0 point unit, but I know it well and see a bunch of bears. Buddy spent 16 this year for same area.
Crazy how fast the tags are going this year. Saw one hit the list this morning and it was already gone when I logged in in less then thirty seconds
