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Rep. Katrina Shankland, of Stevens Point, has introduced a package of bills that would allocate $2.2 million to expand cost-sharing for carcass-disposal dumpsters and kiosks where hunters can drop off deer for testing. The bills also would lay out $2 million for CWD research.
Shankland says the state saw a "vacuum of leadership" on CWD under Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who took a hands-off approach out of fear of angering hunters."
If anything will ever help, at least this could be a start.
Especially when you throw tens of millions of our money at it. That always gets to the bottom of things.....not! "
Looks like a request for 2 + 2.2 total 4.2, where do you see "tens" ?
This is only for a small part of the goofy "CWD battle".
Let`s review what we know now that we didn`t know 40 years ago.....squat, and still nobody has been affected. Let mother nature figure it out.
This is only for a small part of the goofy "CWD battle".
Let`s review what we know now that we didn`t know 40 years ago.....squat, and still nobody has been affected. Let mother nature figure it out. :
Speaking Frankly. that is not subject of this topic. And in WI the discovery is not 40 years - why would you want tom impute the failures of others on us? Self defeating attitudes most often result in self defeat.
The fact that it has been around for almost 50 years and the they STILL have no answers kind of proves my point. There is no massive deer die off or transfer to humans in 50 years.....why bother.
Send my tax dollar share to a children`s hospital please.
Where the hell was this politician during the budget process when Tony "The Messiah Evers and Preston "The Apostle" Cole. Requested absolutely zip zero nadda for CWD in the recent biennial (2- year) budget. In fact the new administration has decided on a wait and see attitude when it comes to CWD.
The bottom line is this will go no where as the budget has been set her announcement fails to disclose where the funding would come from. Funny thing is we now have a politician who stood silent on the issue just a couple of months back when her voice may have mattered and now makes a lame duck proposal all the while blaming the former administration.
The "Vacuum of Leadership" squarely rests with Ms Shankland as she and her political colleagues stood silent on the issue of CWD funding when it really mattered, and that was during the budget process. The only vacuum here is the "Shop Vac" from the Lame Stream Outdoor Media who sucks up this announcement as meaningful in the fight against CWD when the reality is this is nothing more political theater.
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This is not a DNR proposal- They are in a wait and see approach to CWD. This is nothing more than a political stunt.
I actually could support some VOLUNTARY additional testing, monitoring, and disposal efforts.
Many are correct here as in my view much of the funds for CWD were bastardized within the budget thru creative coding to leverage these funds for other purposes. Example: You have a warden on the payroll however while out on their daily duties they can log their time as CWD thus relieving money all ready budgeted that can now be used for "other purposes". Think baiting enforcement.
Lastly where are all the folks in the peanut gallery lamenting legislative involvement in resource management???
Bueller-----Bueller-----Bueller
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have some evidence to back that?
Didn’t WI spend in excess of 40 million on this garbage shortly after it was first discovered in WI? "
have any evidence to back that claim (in question form, but still)
Where the hell was this politician during the budget process when Tony "The Messiah Evers and Preston "The Apostle" Cole. Requested absolutely zip zero nadda for CWD in the recent biennial (2- year) budget. In fact the new administration has decided on a wait and see attitude when it comes to CWD.
The bottom line is this will go no where as the budget has been set her announcement fails to disclose where the funding would come from. Funny thing is we now have a politician who stood silent on the issue just a couple of months back when her voice may have mattered and now makes a lame duck proposal all the while blaming the former administration.
The "Vacuum of Leadership" squarely rests with Ms Shankland as she and her political colleagues stood silent on the issue of CWD funding when it really mattered, and that was during the budget process. The only vacuum here is the "Shop Vac" from the Lame Stream Outdoor Media who sucks up this announcement as meaningful in the fight against CWD when the reality is this is nothing more political theater. "
The gov had the brains to bring this up stand alone for exactly the reason to avoid stuff like you post in the budget discussion.
The vacuum was the long years by the walker admin preceding the only months that the current gov has had a chance for. Never mind that he doesn't have a cooperative legislature like scotty had. Under Walker CWD was allowed to spread unchecked and practically unresearched while he gutted the idea of science and scientists from DNR. It takes a lot more to fix that kind of problem that it does to make it. Odd that this surprises you.
Most hunters I know do not have their deer tested for cwd, even if they plan to consume it and feed it to their families. They have no interest in getting them tested and probably won't ever have them tested unless mandated by law. If that mandate were to happen, I would guess some hunters would throw in the towel as some are very much against supporting stupidity. Even if every deer harvested was tested, that also would prove nothing. We already know some deer have cwd, and we know that percentage is climbing. We also should understand and admit (most of us do) that cwd is in every single county in Wisconsin-at least the counties that have deer ;-) Spending money testing more deer is pointless and a complete mismanagement of funds. Of course the wdnr needs to do something to justify their existence."
Anarchy much? What do you propose as an alternative? Private land is whatever they like and public lands is a lawless free for all jungle? Good luck with that.
Doorknob: Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
I doubt it, but I sure as hell do and I will use the current administrations words and actions.
From your own link you posted at the beginning of the thread: "Democratic Gov. Tony Evers has proposed no new CWD initiatives. He says he wants to see what other states' research turns up". For good measure I would add that he proposed no new CWD spending in the 2- year biennale. Let me translate that for you its a big fat zero. Oh and by the way the months that you are talking about are 24 months of doing nothing.
I get it and its hard to run from the facts.
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Doorknob: Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
I doubt it, but I sure as hell do and I will use the current administrations words and actions.
From your own link you posted at the beginning of the thread: "Democratic Gov. Tony Evers has proposed no new CWD initiatives. He says he wants to see what other states' research turns up". For good measure I would add that he proposed no new CWD spending in the 2- year biennale. Let me translate that for you its a big fat zero. Oh and by the way the months that you are talking about are 24 months of doing nothing.
I get it and its hard to run from the facts. "
Ok, not to put too fine a point on it ... but when do you think our Gov was sworn in?
I understand that, but I think without the dnr constantly trying to get people worried about the nothing that is cwd and without those that fall for the cwd scare bs, proposals like this would be few and far between.
The number that was thrown around maybe 5 years ago was $30 million spent on cwd. "
Wonderful. Regardless if that is wrong or not, how does it equate me supposedly being needy. ??? Not sure why you put that out here.
Doorknob its pretty clear that you cannot grasp the fact the Scott Walker is no longer the governor and Tony Evers is. You also fail to acknowledge the reality that Tony Evers and Preston Cole have decided to do nothing about CWD, but watch the next two years, hell they have even stated it publicly. The reality is Candidate Evers ran on a plat form of "CWD Mismanagement" and his inaction as governor is actually applauded by you, sadly.
CWD is a very challenging disease to manage, and their are many competing theories' within the scientific community as to the cause, spread, and possible cure. The problem is in WI the experts thought we could kill our way out of it by decimating the deer herd. Worse yet anyone who dared to speak against theses practices were branded charlatans, anti-science, and WI-DNR haters.
In closing with the budget is already set and this proposal is going no where, and nothing more than a politician grandstanding. Those of you now supporting this are far too late to the party as you should have been clamoring for this during the budget.
Door Knob it appears you pulled the lever hoping the "New Guy" would actually do something more with CWD, but instead you come here and defend his wait and see do nothing approach. While you "own"your opinion, you do not own the "facts" and they certainly are not on your side.
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I dug through some old documents and found that in 2005 the DNR estimates were around 30-Million spent on CWD. A legislative audit in 2015 estimated the total well over 50 Million. “
That is wonderful, can you share that with us? Or do we just take your word on it when you already demonstrated you haven't even the faintness clue when the gov was inaugurated.
“ While you "own"your opinion, you do not own the "facts" and they certainly are not on your side. “
Please take this opportunity to share facts with us. You know, real facts, not alternate ones.
Please start with when the gov was sworn in, and how that compares to your previous statement which I quoted back up there on the 13th.
Thank you
Knob, once again you are looking for supporting facts? Use your computer and the Internet. It is there if you care to look. By the way, why don’t you supply supporting evidence for all your statements? “
To call out BS. Right, tell me to go-ogle it until I see it his way? GFY. For what claim of mine would you like supporting evidence?
Knob, appropriate name. You are as needy, hypocritical and dependent as all the other liberals. You demand it of others but supply nothing from your self. Your actions speak even more than your words. "
WTF is the matter with you? I am not needy, hypocritical, dependent nor a liberal. Why have you seen my actions brain child?
You requested that I provide proof that Tony Evers is really the governor of WI, past CWD expenditures, and that the Evers administration has provided zero new funding for CWD. So here goes
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Governor Anthony “Tony” Steven Evers inaugurated on January 7, 2019
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By 2006, the WDNR had spent some $35 million dollars on the CWD eradication program. Growing public opposition to the program, especially in the Eradication Zone, eventually led to a legislative audit (Report 06-13) of the program. The WDNR was able to account for only $26.8 million of appropriated funding. [It took the Trustee Committee five years to locate the very expensive carcass digester bought with appropriated funds!] The legislative audit committee ruled that the eradication efforts had not been effective and Wisconsin’s approach to CWD should be re-evaluated.
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Evers budget has no new move against chronic wasting disease
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CWD efforts all but forgotten in new Wisconsin budget.
Democratic Gov. Tony Evers’ state budget doesn’t propose any new strategies to fight chronic wasting disease despite years of demands from his own party for more
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Seems the DNR Chief is watching and waiting mode.
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Gov. Tony Evers signs first state budget into law 07/03/2019
Here in ends the lesson
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huntnfish43's Link According to Wikipedia Governor Anthony “Tony” Steven Evers inaugurated on January 7, 2019 “
Thank you acknowledging his tenure time line. I did not ask “proof that Tony Evers is really the governor “ that is only your fantasy in your mind, and your mind alone.
Now take that information you have and compare it to what you wrote: “Oh and by the way the months that you are talking about are 24 months of doing nothing. “
So how did he warp space time to have 24 months since January? Perhaps he just managed to warp your mind?
Do you understand this issue yet? Or do you wish to keep spinning it until you get dizzy and fall?
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You will see that some of that money came from the feds and even the 26.8 million from WI was hardly all spend on CWD. look around pp15 and on.
But true, money was spent and it was done so in panic mode under previous administrations, none of which should cast doubt on doing real work now. Hunter opposition and Walker anti science combined with that deer czar fool obstructed progress across the agency, not just CWD. Prime example of the american taliban.
And about lack of proposed spending in the budget, I addressed that previously. smart move, why would you complain about that?
Great idea grittyslicernitwit. Maybe they can start in Wyoming and Colorado, where the disease has been for over 40 years. Lots of small parcels there where fenceless deer farming has been occurring. Better stick to drinking, you have no future with anything that has to do with logic, common sense or rational thought. Thanks for playing, just sayin.
Neverbait/Slicer, how do you propose to stop the spread of CWD from deer licking each other? The WON article made a point about CWD being spread from saliva when deer lick each other. Deer do this in heavily forested and swampy areas as well as around ag lands and food plots.
Neverbait/Slicer, how to you propose to stop a doe that is infected with CWD from passing it to her offspring which has already been proven to happen? Can you teach does with CWD to not give into their sexual urges?
Neverbait/Slicer, can you say for certain that bucks with CWD who mate are not infecting those does with CWD? How do you propose to stop bucks with CWD from mating?
I personally feel that the items above will cause the disease to spread far more than the chance an infected deer eats off the same plant in an area that is typically expansive. Even if you ban food plots, you are not going to ban Ag fields and the disease will still spread via the other methods anyway and far quicker at that.
Ever notice that Neverbait/Slicer has never once congratulated any hunter on this site for a successful kill and has only mocked people in any kill thread? A true anti. And, he actually wants people to believe he's a hunter who shoots trad. We all know the truth.
Stacie Robinson and co-authors from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and University of Alberta-Edmonton reported in the journal "Ecological Applications" that 41% of deer from the CWD core area of Wisconsin demonstrated resistance to CWD. Not only were the resistant deer four times less likely to contract CWD, but if they did become infected, advanced infection of the brain stem was 12 times lower, and they lived 49% longer than the disease-susceptible deer.
Furthermore, due to lowered infection and mortality, deer with the resistant genotypes had a significant reproductive advantage. This advantage would drive natural selection toward a predominantly CWD-resistant population within 250 years at low infection rates and within 50 years at high infection rates.
The authors stated these genetic differences in disease dynamics have not been previously documented, accounted for in management planning or considered in current CWD models.
These genetic resistance findings were not available when Illinois instituted its sharpshooting program but certainly should be considered now. Culling randomly removes CWD-resistant deer as well as reducing the selective pressure toward resistance caused by the diseased deer. Although evolutionary change is slow by our standards, nature has done a better job than people ever will at building a better deer. High CWD infection rates in some areas of the state translate to greater selective pressure and evolution toward disease resistance.
The bottom line: Let Mother Nature's passive plan of natural selection already in progress control CWD. Culling by sharpshooters and aggressive herd reduction may reap hypothesized temporary benefits but will slow natural selection and permanent evolutionary change toward CWD-resistant deer.
Once again, your link has zero to do with what you wrote about farming and spreading CWD. Mad Cow and CWD are not the same but feel free to get any venison that a hunter may give you tested. If you like venison, you should try hunting.
"Have had" is not applicable as you have zero proof CWD has been spread from food plots and ag land. Your post had an agenda and I showed you actual ways CWD is spread that can't be controlled. You really hate facts and then when presented you shift your "argument" to off-topic comments. Those continue to minimalize you.
Since your a factual guy, show me the facts that congregating deer with food plots/kiddie pools/ mineral licks hasn't hastened the spread CWD.
'Ahhhh ... the old prove a negative fallacy...
I did some internet searches and can't find any threads with proof that those pass CWD. Your turn, post some links that show they do.
You are partially right, owned land and sold it, boring hunting the same ground all the time.
LOL at that lie. Your Walmart salary can barely afford you your internet access.
Wow
Mention poaching and mineral sites and it gets pretty quiet here.
Just Sayin......... "
Please tell us how mineral feeding is poaching?
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