I am hiding under my bed (ha ha). I was in Emporia yesterday evening and tried to buy a few things. The shelves were nearly empty in Walmart. I wanted some meat as I am out of pheasant and almost out of venison. There was virtually no meat. I did buy a few Brats. It looks like I am going fish more just to get some fresh meat.
The Mrs is definitely nervous. She’s a nurse and she’s bracing for what’s potentially coming. The hospital is doing everything they can to prepare. I’m coming to terms with the possibility we might not see her for a while if/when this hits here in SEK.
Well I have been home from school for 2 weeks. Heading back Monday to figure out how to educate virtually. Think I am going to cancel my turkey hunting trip to NE. Don't want to stay in a hotel, if its even open, and don't want to sleep in a tent.
Jamie, tell the mrs. to be carefull and good luck to her. I'm not hiding under the bed yet, but am not going to town everyday either. Still have considerable amount of venison and fish in the freezer. Last week, I did go out to a rancher's place and shot a young beef. It now resides in my freezer as well. Oh, the owner was there watching me the whole time, just in case you're wondering!
Lol Marvin, glad you’re not resorting to cattle raids as of yet! Take care of yourself too, there are some advantages to living a more rural area at these kind of times I’d think, as well as disadvantages. Much easier to self-quarantine than in a suburb, if it comes to that for some of us. We are in the process of getting more of our church folk acquainted to resources like zoom to keep everyone connected, especially our shut-ins.
No worries whatsoever except with the new providers that haven't experienced this sort of thing. Working ER in Wichita this week and the team is calm as can be. This is a media propelled virus with political undertones that is literally wrecking the economy.
Does anyone else think that maybe China turned this loose on the world to mess up the USA? So what if it kills a million in China the wheels in Bejing don't care.
Ok guys. This is a copy of the letter that was handed to me by my director 1 minute after I typed that response above. It is a martial law passport to be presented with hospital ID.
Cherney- Many analysts are leaning that way. China did not appreciate the trade agreement they were pushed into. A few thousand people dying on their soil means nothing to them, but they knew the rest of the world would not take it well. They are buying up the cheap stock now, and production is back to 100%. This worthless virus has more political undertones of a trojan horse than you can imagine.
China- does anyone have an proof that China released COVID-19 on the world besides InfoWars and Fox News right-wing hacks? C'mon man...that's hysteria.
However, it did turn Trump into a socialist with bailouts and sending people money. I guess socialism is evil until you need it. Who would have thunk it? Only kidding so don't get all bent out of shape.
KsFlatlander. The hysteria has already happened. Just get on Facebook or watch any news channel. Just trying to understand the cause and watching how our biggest industrial/business competitor has handled it. China already owns most of the market and Trump's $300 billion trade agreement was part in taking some of that back. Also interesting how they magically cured the virus in 48 hours and are now touting themselves as world leader in conquering the virus. Not to mention the pamphlet they are distributing blaming Trump as all news networks have shown. BTW, I don't watch Infowars and I watch all news channels.
Analysts? Are we talking media analysts or financial analysts or Ben Carson? Any epidemiologists saying it was pushed onto civilians by the Chinese government?
Analysts? Are we talking media analysts or financial analysts or Ben Carson? Any epidemiologists saying it was pushed onto civilians by the Chinese government?
There is a possibility of almost anything. You can't rule out the US Army sending it over. So here we are... Let's use common sense and try to avoid conspiracy theories.
I don't think it matters how much you understand about anything. There is too much stuff happening and at play for anyone to truly know what happened and how it started and why it got to the point it is today.
So as most know I am from NY. We have over 4100 cases and a bunch in my county. I am presently in self quarintine as my wife was tested for the virus at 5 pm this evening. We did the drive through test and it was like a scene out of a movie. People in hazmzt suits and visors and masks. We pulled up they asked her name and proceeded to insert a 7" swap in both nostrils!! We than were instructed to drive straight home and not to go anywhere but our own yard and to come in contact with no one. The NYS Health department would notify us of her results in 4 to 5 days. At that time if she is negative we return to what is supposeed to be a normal life, if positive I get tested and we are again quarantined for 14 days even if I am negative. I work for a nursing home so lets hope and prey we are both negative because I worked right up until today!! This is no joke and hear in NY it is almost like marshall law. 75 percent of the work force has been ordered to stay home by an executive order from our Govenor!! Sorry for the long post but I am stuck here for the next 4 days at least!! Shawn
I should add conspiracy theory, government biological warfare gone wrong, whatever when it hits home and you have a wife who has pnuemonia and is already comprimised this shit is no joke!! Shawn
Good for you, Kyle. Hope everything works out, Shawn.
Why would China try to sink us? Geez, we owe them so much damn money and we're their number 1 market for sales.
So, what did Italy do to deserve this hell on Earth? China not like them?
Cured in 48 hours? They had that area of nearly 40 million people in quarantine for weeks, months.
Must have anchored that big Navy floating hospital off New York just so the sailors can come ashore and party?
It won't be the end of the world, but it's going to be a ride. Hopefully a few weeks of "social isolation" will help slow the spread. Geez, wish we'd have been better prepared and educated before this happened.
Get ready.... I understand from a KS state legislator that an order to “SHELTER IN PLACE” will be announced within the next 24 hrs. If you have the ability to work from home, you best start making plans for that.
Not sure just yet if the SHELTER IN PLACE order will come from federal or state level?
The graph I have provided showing the trending logarithmic US cases is showing a continual, consistent and exponential growth.
I should also say I could care less if I get it, I am healthy and in great shape, my wife and others on the other hand are not. Its not the healthy people I am worried about. It is the old, the young and people who are already compromised with other health issues. As I said think what you want but this has already changed our history even if it just causes a change in thinking!! Shawn
Prayers for you, your wife, and all of your friends and neighbors up there Shawn. It's not looking good based on the cases being reported each day. Hang in there.
Thanks guys, we are doing good, it's just the waiting for the results that suck. I am reloading and shooting my bows to pass the times. Everyone be safe! Shawn
Kyle, I assume the ticks die right away after biting you? :-) Why aren't you wearing clothing treated with permethrin? I meant to ship a bunch off to get permanently treated, but time slipped away. I have some slip over duds that are treated for live and love them.. Also got the concentrate at Tractor Supply and mixed up a bunch of my own.
Jason, something else was circulating about some malaria drug that was supposed to help, too. Hope you get to put a huge "I told you so" up on social media.
Time will tell.
Much different situation out in So Cal.. Hospitals are taking on a lot of victims, food is really tough to come by. Fortunately our son-in-law is a borderline "preppier." Wish they were closer so I could run them out some supplies. Or, at least go kidnap a grandchild.
Stores here are trying to stock shelves but the staples are going as fast as they put them out. Meat and poultry is hard to come by as is milk, bread, paper towels, toilet paper. I am good for at least a month and I can alway get meat right out my back door or at the bird feeder!!! It is not good here in NY and I know it is not good anywhere but we have been hit hard. We are stopping testing as of 8pm tonight due to a shortage of test kits. Our govenor just basically shut down all non essential businesses as of 8 pm tonight. My wife is sick as hell but I stress it may not be the virus, she has pnuemonia and as for me I feel good and I am heading out to practice climbing with my new modified LW sticks and my Tethrd tree saddle!! Look out Iowa here I come!!! Shawn
Just wait until all the college break kids and others who are along the gulf coast head home and infect the families and elders... Alabama closed the beaches yesterday, Florida refused, but all the restuarants are business as usual. Here in Missouri, as far as restrictions, it is by city or county or school districts. So it will take months for this to calm down.
I would bet that the 64 critical patients in the US right now are elderly and/or have several comorbidities. Nearly 20,000 patients and only 64 really sick ones is an extremely low percentage.
Hopefully we maintain that kind of percentage, Italy’s is much larger. 37,860 active cases and 2,655 critical. And from what I’ve seen, we’re trending like them so far.
We are over 8 thousand cases now and the entire state has been instructed to stay home and only go out if necessary. They are saying we will be over 30 thousand cases in less than two weeks. Grocery stores, pharmacies and food distribution centers are the only thing left open. Restuarants may do take out only with curbside pick up or delivery. Shawn
Coronavirus VS Swine Flu, also known as H1N1 in 2009
Keep in mind, when looking at these numbers, the swine flu was a pandemic for a year and we are just months into the coronavirus. All of the following numbers are from the World Health Organization:
In the United States, there were 61 million cases of confirmed swine flu. As of March 21, there were 19,931 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S., of course that number continues to grow each day. Comparing death tolls, the 2009 swine flu claimed the lives of 12,469 Americans. As of March 21, there were 275 deaths due to the coronavirus in the U.S. The swine flu was declared no longer a pandemic in 2010, meaning the above numbers for the disease are final. However, the coronavirus is still expected to grow.
I don't remember people going into a panic during the Swine Flu pandemic. What is the difference now? "mass hysteria and the media".
TJH because this form of the virus is different than any other that has been seen before. It easily attaches to our skin cells and has a tendency to survive a bit better than others. I am no doctor or scientist and don't even claim to be very smart but I do know numbers and the numbers we have seen in just days here in NY we have been told will be 4 times as bad in just a week or so. Now I don't know this as fact but that would be over 30,000 cases in just NY alone by next weekend. All I can say is I would rather ere on the safe side! Shawn
A few days old. I know they were up over 650 dead in yesterday's report in Italy. That would compare to about 3,200 in the U.S. But, I think we got a better handle on it, though it sure could have been better.
We now have over 11,000 just in NY and it has to be a lot more but the testing is slowed because the lack of tests. It is really an unbelievable seen, I took a ride today and places are just ghost towns. If I happened to see someone out walking or pumping gas they had a mask on. I don't know if people realize how bad it is in certain parts of the country and until they see it for themselves it really is hard to believe. I have seen it and I cannot believe it and I hope and pray the spread is stopped by social distancing and isolation of those who test positive, hell isolation of everyone! Shawn
Frank....Thx. I did read Mike CT’s commentary and while it was very good info....I trust the guy that was on Joe Rogans show a couple of weeks ago a heck of a lot more than Mike CT. The link I provided is the Joe Rogan Experience #1439 YouTube Podcast. Joe had one of the worlds foremost Infectious Disease “Medical Detective” experts on his 3/10 show to talk about Corona Virus, CWD and Lyme Disease.
This guy doesn’t use scare tactics but has enough research experience and confidence in what he knows to deliver his knowledge and info. as straight talk and isn’t about to sugar coat any of the info. or his opinions. I have listened to it all and have broken it down by the sections noted above for the benefit of others if they are only interested in hearing what he has to say about Corona, CWD or Lyme per the following:
Fecal Transplants (Interesting topic didn’t know such a thing existed?): 1:14-1:15
Lyme Disease: 1:15-1:30 (interesting case example on how easily ticks spread from Wisconsin to Minnesota and throughout the NE. Also, very glad we live in a state where controlled burns are the norm). Thankful I hunt in the Flint Hills!
In a nut shell during these times: Eat healthy, get sleep/rest, if over-weight start losing and control your blood pressure (if you have issues with that). In the future we as a country need to stockpile medical equip. and supplies to help with future outbreaks, spend more $$$ on medical/vaccine research and keep researching and planning even when the all clear is eventually given!
Interesting quote this expert made. “Right now, with no known vaccine...controlling this virus is like trying to control the wind!” Take care all!
Jason, thank you as well. Show was on 3/10? We continue to learn each day. I am convinced this is serious, but we all have to draw our own conclusions.
While this can be serious if you are in the small percentage. A thought to ponder is that about the same amount of people died in the USA in the last two days from something other than corona than have from corona worldwide since this was discovered.
Jayhawk it is attitudes like yours that made this thing go out of control in Italy!! The kids in Florida, the NYers out hanging out in the parks, the people who do not listen to the government warnings are what is going to huirt this country in the long run. It has gotten so bad here in NY that we may revert to marshall law. Coumo is not what I would call a great governor, but I have to say he is doing an outstanding job taking control of the pandemic. People really have to listen to him!! Social distancing is more important than anything we can do as a society today!! Please get that through your head and everyones who is reading this!! Shawn
I never said not to take this serious but the panic has made it a lot worse. The hysteria has made this much worse. The media has everyone with the sniffles running to the ER thinking they are going to die. The run on masks, toilet paper, the empty isles at the store. All driven by hype. How taxed is the system do to hype? If everyone would treat this with common sense, this would pass. Keep your social distance just as you would during a flu epidemic. It is for real, it is sad but people will die, people will live. The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.
I thought like Jayhawk for a day or two, also, then I started doing some research. They're trying to prevent our medical system from becoming totally overwhelmed.
Projections said we'd only have about 10-20-percent of the ventilators needed if we did nothing. Italy did nothing and last week went from about 150 to over 650 deaths a day from the virus. (That would be like losing about 3,200 a day in the U.S.) Yes, of course people die anyway, but that average of 60 a day, per state, would be above that.
People in Italy that normally would have survived heart attacks, severe asthma attacks, auto accidents died because they couldn't get the care they needed at the swamped hospitals...and Italy has a pretty good medical system. (Yes, I know it's socialized. No, that's not why they're having so many deaths.)
Doing nothing would have lead to an estimated 1-2 million deaths from the virus here. That's an average of 20,000 per state.
It's harder to just say "well, people will die" when you have someone you dearly love with a "pre-existing condition" which could make survival difficult. Trust me...
The media didn't make up the fact that China had to quarantine a region of 40 million or what's happened in Italy. They didn't cause the lockdown of some of our major cities, or break the news that this could last months. Those are just facts.
The people, themselves, are responsible for the panic. Where did the media write that we'd better start hoarding toilet paper? That went mouth to mouth, and the most inaccurate of media - social media. Yesterday, in less than a half-hour, I went on Facebook and found six friends sharing complete BS. Still, they blame so much on the media.
Also contributing to the panic was how fast this was dumped on us. One Thursday we were getting ready for the NCAA Tournament, the next day it was cancelled and they started talking about closing down entire cities. No warning weeks out. No, "hey, we may have to...." One week it's a Democratic hoax and all who want a test can have one. The next, it's declared a nationwide disaster and we're scrambling for tests and other supplies. (Kansas came dangerously low on tests this weekend. Johnson County won't even test if they just have symptoms.)
People can go to the K.C. Star website and read about the first fatality in Johnson County. Very popular retired high school superintendent, (I know several of his students and they all raved), he hadn't traveled, no pre-existing condition. Was sent home from urgent care centers, twice, without even being tested despite classic symptoms. (How many people did he infect after that?) When finally admitted to a hospital, both lungs were filled. His wife was sent home to quarantine. He had nobody he knew at his side when he died several days later.
We'll make it through this, but it would be a helluva lot easier if people would grow the heck up and support each other. Preppers are hoping they get to start shooting people, soon. Some Democrats are just giddy that this might make Trump look bad. Ultra-righties would rather blame everything on the media. (Of which I'm a member for 39 years) Thats all energy that could go towards supporting each other.
Shawn - appreciate your updates. It's educational to hear reports from the trenches.
Michael- It seems to kill 60+ year olds fairly easily with the end culprit being pneumonia. I run sepsis workups daily at work in the elderly and often the culprit is pneumonia. The smokers or former smokers will be at extreme risk due to their impaired lung function. That guy that died had been to urgent care and they failed to recognize the seriousness. I worked urgent care for 1 year and was always frustrated by the incompetence of it all. They wouldn't even let me train the unlicensed medical assistants in basic life support. I have confidence we can whip this. The H1N1 bug infect 60.8 million Americans and we only lost about 12,000.
"That's all energy that could go towards supporting each other."
I'll do it if I knew how and what! Michael.
Other than words of encouragement, encouragement that may not be truth at this point. I saw a woman come out of Aldis 4 days ago with 4 bags of potatos, 40lbs. Wife came out empty handed. I hope 30 pounds of them rot. You can't encourage people like that. And the world is full of them.
Yes, the world is full of those kind. But also full of the kind of medical personnel coming out of retirement at great risk to try and help save others. I tend to believe there are more of the latter.
westksbowhunter….you mentioned there was no draw this year. I haven't heard anything on that and just wondering where you got that from and is that a for sure thing?
I know right....aw all this will blow over. All I find myself doing is talking myself out shooting deer that I still believe with good reasoning...lol but now I wished I would have shot one of those for meat.
I didn't hunt down here much at all because I spent most of my time up there trying to locate a big one...wouldn't trade it though cause throughout the season I had 7 different deer within bow range scoring around 150 and up and about 3 in the 140s. All of them though in the 3 to 4 yr old range....this coming year should be really good. But yeah I wished I would have shot some does down here....I really love venison.
Some more updates from the Governor, we have close to 21,000 cases now and it is growing by the minute. We are making strides on social distancing and more medical supplies are arriving every minute. We have been told there is actually no shortage of paper products and other items it is just most places were over run with folks wanting to stock up that they got behind. Store shelves are starting to have more products on them again accroding to friends and family. I am still quarintined as the NYS health dept has not contacted us with my wife's results. Meat and poultry and other meats, , only the even hot dogs and burger is in short supply and we have been told the state is working on that. I am fine on meat and fish and if need be I can obtain more of both right from my property. Cuomo said it will get worst before it gets better but also what we are doing, social distancing, hand washing, self isolation, are starting to show signs of working.. The county I live in has the second most cases in NYS only NYC has more. Also something to note we have more cases in young people than old by quite a bit and again that is because the younger folks make up most of the work force and also they feel the least vulnerable so they were slow to heed the advice of the government and it doctors and scientists. I am hoping and praying we hear about my wife's test result by tomorrow and that they are negative so that I may return to work and help where I can!! Shawn
Went to donate blood today at the Community Blood Center as we heard on the news blood was in short supply.
I arrived to a sign on the door that due to an out-pouring of support, they could no longer take walk-ins. A nurse opened the door and thanked me and said I needed to schedule an appointment on-line but they were booked thru Saturday!
I'm up to donate blood Thursday afternoon, first day eligible since last donation. New rules because of the virus may cheat me out of some fantastic snickerdoodle one volunteer bakes for the event!
So we have Cindys results and they are Negative now I am waiting for the Health department to draft a letter stating I may return to work. We had 8 people tested at work and those people all have tested negative as well. It will be nice to go back to work although I understand it is a different world. Temps taken twice a day and social distancing as well as wearing a mask at all times. Hope everyone is well and take care of yourselves and your families! Shawn
Thanks everyone, great to get back to work although it is pretty crazy. I know 27 people who were tested and all negative so we are doing something right. As I said stay away from people when ya can and if you can't wash your hands a lot and try not to come in contact with them. Good hygiene makes a difference in everything we do!! Here in NY we are getting 5 to 6 thousand new cases a day and they say from 50-80% will contract the virus but hopefully it does not kill a ton of us. Look at the 1918 flu and we realize how bad it could be so in a way we are lucky and we will get through this! Thanks again folks! Shawn
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I cant find the answer to this question. anyone help me out. I'm under the stay at home order... all the public land seems to be open and Kansas says all hunting seasons are still scheduled to open ... can I go Turkey hunting on the 6th??
No kidding... I’ve never been so excited to mow as I was today...April 6th here too with youth weekend before. Lots and lots of folks fishing around here. People at almost every pond today.
It's become more real for my family. A very good friend of our daughte'rs is also a PT and was infected by a patient who had absolutely no symptoms a week ago. Now the patient (not a classic elderly person and/or health issues) is on a ventilator and it doesn't look good.
Lindsey's friend is in quarantine. Very high fever, difficulty breathing, a lot of pain, but young and strong. She'll not be able to see her husband or 18-month-old child for at least two weeks. She's also two months pregnant.
Another friend is due in about two weeks. She had some small complications with her first birth. But it looks like her husband can't be with her at the hospital because no visitors are allowed. Her in-laws have tested positive, so they won't be able to help.
Both our daughter and daughter-in-law are due this summer. One will most assuredly need hospitalization. Hope things are straightened out by then.
Keep us updated Michael. I was exposed to a positive patient day before yesterday. Employee Health sent me and 4 other employees an app to track our progress.
I started this thread watching numbers and very worried about the economy. My calculations were a growth rate of around 30% per day. March 19th we had 13,150 cases in the US. Today they are reporting 86,105 cases. Watching numbers we could hit 1,000,000 cases by April 8th. looking at Unemployment remember self employed and contractors are not yet able to claim unemployment. I hope my data is wrong but by the time we hit April 8th there could be as many as 20 million who have filed for unemployment. Goldman Sach's projections were only off by 1.2 million last week. Stay safe out there.
Very glad the governor is still going to allow outdoor activities the next few weeks. Hopefully people will be smart enough to go outside rather than to the neighbors/friends/etc.
That's why Missouri closed their trout parks. Anglers get too close.
I gave blood on Thursday and was appalled at how little regard staff gave the 6' rule. Granted, they gotta be close to stick you with needles, but other staff members were repeatedly well within 3', and going from staff member to staff member and donors.
Geez, Shawn, stay careful and look out for your wife. The numbers coming out of New York are shocking - 2,000 in intensive care, 237 deaths from one day to another and pushing 1,000 total.
I hope the best for your friends and that things have subsided in time for those babies to get here safe and sound.
I have given this a lot of thought and if my wife was put in the hospital they are getting me in her room one way or another or I am going to Jail. I can't believe that people aren't getting violent when told they can't be with their family member as they go through this. They will have to do a 2 week quarantine anyways so why not quarantine in the same room? Hearing about the superintendent that passed away with no family by his side infuriates me. I could understand if the fatality rate was a high percentage and getting it was a death sentence.
Praying for all effected. I hope it is past us sooner than later, but fear that it will continue being extended.
They closed the Chase State Fishing Lake here in Chase County yesterday. It was getting overrun by people from many of the Metro areas. I hate to see this as my brother and I like to fish it, as it is close and handy. The fishing is not that great but we enjoy it and catch enough fish to keep us going back. I am pretty sure that we were practicing Social Distancing while out in his boat.
It's getting worse. We have cases at my work now and its spreading. I may move into my RV so as not to expose my wife to anything. It is starting to wear on me, as she is in that high risk group. I know have to put on all the PPE's to enter one wing of our facility. It looks like a biological war zone in a lot of places. All I can say is stay away from each other and wash your hands and use hand sanitizer as much as possible. We have been told we are at least 2
Matt - these are tough, uncertain and frustrating times.
#1 - if the spouse doesn't have it yet, spending two weeks in a hospital will certainly give it to them. What if they don't know and take it out with them? What if they don't contract it until many days in? Do they just crawl into the bed their spouse was in?
#2 - Our hospitals also just don't have the room, or staff, to deal with spouses or other visitors. Hospitals in New York are literally spilling into the parking lots. There's already an entire floor at KU Med filled with Covid patients. This ventilator shortage is very real Why risk getting the virus and robbing someone else of a ventilator who played in smarter.
Also, what it things were reverse?. Let's say you are the one who comes down with it. (We both know we've prayed to God that if anyone in our family gets it, it will be us and not our wives or children.) Would you want her putting her life at risk in the hospital with you or staying home, safe and insuring your kids will have at least one parent to raise them?
No brainer.
I'd think there would be someway Haz-mat suits would allow visitors, but I don't know.
It's frustrating how many people don't care about who they might spread it to. Maybe if they had to designate an elderly mother, or child with asthma they'd be OK with losing, that'd make a difference.
The news had a piece on a choir that ignored the warnings and had practice a few weeks ago. 48 of 50 tested positive or have symptoms. (Still very short on testing materials.) Only two have died,...but had they followed warnings...
Oh, found out our pregnant daughter has been exposed. So far no symptoms. Keeping our fingers crossed and prayers headed to Heaven.
Again,Shawn I wish you and your wife well. Please keep us updated. Your perspective is much different than ours.
During the downturn I've been working with a friend in Wichita who is CEO of a distribution and manufacturing company in Old Town who is getting PPE during this crisis. We have N95 masks coming in via DHL this morning. We have deals with some of the larger hospital chains but want to keep some of this local. We already are filling a N95 respirator order for a county hospital in Kansas. You would be able to pick these up in Wichita. PM me if you know anyone who is in need of FDA and NIOSH approved N95 respirators, FDA surgical masks, face shields, or gowns. Due to the crisis, these are not available to individuals. We want these on the front lines and going to the health care workers who need it most.
On a lighter note: some things involved with this world wide situation. A local small town bank that does not have a drive-up has now installed a walk-up made of plywood. You do what ya gotta do.
Sorry to hear about the death of the elderly patient. Glad the PT is getting better and hate hearing the news about the baby. Will pray and hope they both come out the other side of this in a good way.
I have a good friend that is a Wichita area PT and I think about and talk to him often and hope he and his family stay safe. Right now, they are doing the majority of their therapy appointments via Tele-Med or other remote means.
We are losing 15 people an hour to Covid-19. That is on top of the close to a thousand people that die everyday in NY year round. They are literally loading the dead into refrigerated tractor trailers. That is in NYC but where I am it is getting worse everyday. People here are starting to die at a quicker pace. We are now getting 14 percent more reported case every 24 hrs. We will reach 200,000 cases in our state by early next week they say. All I can say is please limit your contact to outside sources as much as possible. It has been proven that one guy who traveled to Italy, went back home to India and attended some festival was responsible for infecting as many as 4 thousand people. One turns to 3, 3 to 10, 10 to 100. It's unreal!! Stay safe!! Shawn
Matt - he's somewhere in upstate New York and it's spreading out from the city like big waves when you toss a rock in the water.
We have friends in NYC. People in all of the apartments around them have the virus. To say they're nervous is an understatement. Some real disturbing figures.
Crested - thanks. The victim wasn't all that old. The longer this virus stays around, the more it appears to be a threat to the young. 38% from 18-44, those in their 30s are many times more likely to die from Covid than the flu.
We are seeing a big spike here in cases as testing is more widespread. 45 more over night where I work. I have many friends in the middle of it. I mean in Elmhurst and the actual center of it all. Moving the dead bodies with fork trucks and loading into refrigerated trucks. My work just was told expect the worst here in about 10 days. No one knows for sure but let's hope this cycle breaks! Shawn
Interesting and obviously Scary..I have friends in upstate NY and they have seen very few cases in their county. And people are still around town, similar to what we see in Kansas, at least western KS. They are near LeRoy/Pavillion, which is 6 hours a way in rural areas.
Be careful at the truck stops. The gentleman who did my backflow inspection is a retired SW KS school superintendent. He said that a guy working at the truck stop down there in SW KS got COVID-19 from someone passing through. Be careful, even if you are in rural Kansas and touching items other people touch.
They’re still around town in eastern Kansas too Matt, it’s very frustrating. And by around town, I mean going about business like nothing is going on. Thank goodness the majority of the restaurants finally closed their dining areas.
Our dining areas have been closed for at least a week I think but still providing carryout/delivery which is good for them and for us. Reading down the list of 'essential' people though in rural areas covers a large portion of the population. Out here they should put out a list of who isn't essential. It would be much shorter.
Matt we have counties in what we say "Up North" so the the Adirondack Mountains and way up by Canadian border who only have a few cases but the numbers are growing. We just took 14 patients from NYC as they are overwhelmed. We have basically been told that the health department expects as many as 75 percent of hospital employees may get Covid 19. It's brutal, it's nerve wracking. Today I was on no less than 7 rooms where the resident either has or is suspected of having the virus. I come home get naked in my shed and than head in and shower right away. I want to move into my RV to protect my wife but she won't have any of it. Makes me a wreck so I do everything I can to protect myself and her. People downstate are still dying at an alarming rate but they say there is hope. I post just to let the folks who have not had to deal with this directly know this is nothing to screw with. 1 person being irresponsible can devastate a whole community and that no lye. The attorney in Manhatten turns out may be responsible for the start of several thousand people getting the virus, they quit counting when it got to 52. Everyone please follow your county and states directives and if yo
If you can go a step further and limit any and all contact with anyone from outside your home. We have gone as far as spraying all our deliveries of good, be they medical supplies or packages from Amazon with Virex(virus and bacteria killer) and letting them sit before distributing them!! Everyone stay safe PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD TO STOP THE SPREAD!!!! Shawn
A good friend's sister, a nurse, is leaving her husband and children behind in a small Kansas town and going to the hell of New York City to help.
She certainly sees how real this problem is, and is putting her life on the line hoping to help, despite so many in her nation that don't believe this is a threat, so many that think it's best just to "let it take its course" and blame it all on the media.
Here's the deal Mike. It's all about money. Our local hospitals are cutting our hours because we are seeing a fraction of the patients we usually see. People are afraid of catching the virus AT the hospital. The average RN in KS brings home less than $800-$900 a week. Not to mention, area hospitals are exposing us to Covid with less than adequate PPE. Travel agents are offering RNs crisis pay $5k and up to go to states like NY. Advanced Practice RNs are taking in up to $10k a week. I could literally tell my ER to take a hike, and in 8-13 weeks make as much as I make working an entire year for them. We have already lost 3 RNs this week to other states in response to the Covid crisis pay.
Not sure you can say, "It's all about the money" when you don't know the woman or their financial situation with a husband and a great job.
And money or not, the threat I still the same. According to her brother, she's been watching the virus, and nervous about what it could bring to the country, longer than most.
I don't suppose that's just being greedy. I do know such decisions are harder to make when someone has a spouse and family. Extra money is always good. Taking unnecessary risks seem even more risky when people are depending on you.
Also, greed doesn't seem to motivate her family. They're pretty impressive, especially the one I know best.
He's about your age, and while you and I were bickering over stupid crap several years ago on Bowsite, he did multiple tours to Afghanistan. He was a USMC Sgt and his unit took some of the highest casualty rates of the war. We met when I took him on a deer hunt, hoping to help with PTSD three or four years ago. Then, he said he'd still be over there so he could watch out for his men, if they'd let him. Doubt it was really the combat pay that would have sent him back.
Interesting I've never heard him belittle anyone. He's come back, patched a broken marriage, worked to regain his physical and emotional health and is a great father to two kids who barely knew him when he returned. He's still watching out for "his men." Better man than I've ever been.
He says his sister's not doing it for greed. She just really feels the call to help.
There was a news segment about the thousands of New York Drs. and nurses who're coming out of retirement to help in the trenches. The two Drs. they interviewed said they were doing it for gratis because funds are so tight.
I never said a thing about greed. When you are risking your life and your family's life, that word rarely has a place. The point is, you might as well provide for your family and be better protected because we are all being exposed to sick patients. The 3 RNs that left my ER this week all did so for the crisis pay. They were also given proper PPE and training at their new jobs. There is already talk of a class action lawsuits brewing about the country due to poor pay during critical exposures, improper PPE, and failure to adhere to Covid guidelines. I suspect hospitals states with unions will be paying for years for their unpreparedness. I've been exposed to several positive patients and I've yet to be tested or given a N95 mask or PAPR.
Not to mention, a travel RN/ healthcare worker is typically better taken care of. The accepting hospital has a binding contract with the travel agency. The healthcare worker cannot be sent home without pay like a staff worker can. Proper equipment must be provided and travel/living expenses are covered by the hospital. Lots of money involved and hospitals seem to respect travelers more because of it.
Thornton come on up and help here in NY. You say it's about money, our hospitals are turning people away and sending them home because the virus is worst than most people medical conditions. My wife was in intensive care when this struck with pnumonia, sent her home to protect her. I doubt very much for most people it's the money, most have huge hearts and are doing to actually help their fellow health care workers get a break. Sorry Thornton but you have no fuckin clue, none on how it is here or other hotspots, none whatsoever!! If you want to come help, I will pay your way!! Where I work we had 4 people die overnight and I am 85 miles away from NYC and we have been working told it just the beginning here!! It's not about money now, it's about compassion!! Shawn
Sorry auto correct screwed up some of my post but people will get my point!! If not I will put it bluntly!! THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR ANYONE TO BE A DOUSHBAG!!! USE YOUR HEAD TO STOP THE SPREAD!! Shawn
I'm wondering why you two are pissed off all of a sudden because I'm explaining the logistics? I actually do have a clue because my co-workers are updating us daily while in Washington, LA and NY. Daily meetings are common with the medical director explaining new protocols and treatments. The virus has mutated twice, and is affecting every ethnicity slightly different due to DNA makeup and receptor sites in the lungs. The flat honest truth is very few would go for $500 a week. I'm already taking care of patients in an understaffed ER in KS, and I have a mowing business to run, and 4 dogs and a horse to take care of and an 80 year old mother. Not to mention I couldn't go in time if I wanted to because I don't have a compact or NY license. Washington recently sent one of our RNs home because they overbooked the area with travel RNs. Leaving my full time 11-11 position would mean I wouldn't have a job when I came back. Stay inside Shawn and mask up when you're out and about. I wish you the best.
LMAO!! Thanks Thornton I do appreciate what you do!! But other folks that are volunteering and not even getting paid, roughly 20,000 so not real pissed off just the constant gruell that you spew gets old! Thank You!! Shawn
By the way I cannot stay inside and I have to enter these rooms that have positive cases of Covid-19. Its just the nature of my job. I am actually headed to work right now to prepare another room room for more patients. Shawn
I'm curious what these "volunteers" are doing? They certainly aren't actually taking care of patients in an ICU or ER setting. That is against the law in these circumstances and any accredited hospital that allowed that would be set up for lawsuits. If I were to access any patient database, give meds, or adjust a ventilator wihout being on the clock, I would be terminated in short order. Even our screening question lady, who sits in the lobby and has no medical experience whatsoever, is being paid by another company with a contract to our hospital. I was told by an ER physician I work with yesterday he was offered $20k/week to work NY but he said that wasn't enough to risk his and his family's lives.
Again you are misinformed NY has passed many statutes too allow for all sorts of things in this crisis. Kind of like doctors without borders. These volunteers are are working in both ER and ECU settings from what our governor is saying! Shawn
Here in Missouri they are forming a crisis task team and are asking for any retired docs, nurses, technicians and students in the health care field etc to volunteer. They want to set if up state wide and then assigned people to go to the hot spots. Right now in the St. Louis area they have approx 640 beds available. They have not been doing any elective surgeries for a couple weeks now. I'm staying home, no turkey hunting for me.
The closest VA cancelled all appointments and are only taking emergency cases. Told the local people they have MANY beds available. Understand there hasn't been many takers. Good to be ready but seems like overkill?
That is funny. News today told of a RN today from Newton, KS that decided to take a travel contract in NY. She and others were sent back to their hotels on the first day because the hospital didnt have enough PPE. She is afraid she already has the virus after only one day. They are asking for donations of PPE to be sent to her hotel for her and the other RNs
I came into work today, 11 new cases and now 3 staff members and 30 more awaiting test results. I also saw Kansas is close to 1000 cases and with testing kits more prevalent your numbers will climb. Everyone keep safe!! Shawn
Another real bad day here in NY. We had another 700 plus die on Monday. My work now has 17 confirmed cases and 4 deaths. Its not been good, we have reverted to wearing full tyvek suits, double masks and shields as well as hoods. We now have some of the 13 minute tests but unless you are showing symptons they are not testing. We have heard by next week every health care worker will start to get tested. The state had thought we were starting to level off and head down, we have as far as reported cases but the death toll is increasing. They are talking mass burials in NYC due to all the bodies in refridgerated trucks, no room in morgues and no embalming. Doctors having to make gut wrenching decisions, basically playing you know who. Please keep social distancing and trust me, if you can stay home, stay home!! Shawn
Praying for you all up there, Shawn. Nothing easy about any of this. It's horrible that you have to experience that situation first hand. Hopefully things will improve quickly. Hang in there, man.
And to see only medical supply trucks and ambulances on the streets. I guess you have to witness it first hand to understand and even than it's unbelievable. I have seen shit that I only saw in movies and now its real. I cannot stress enough to avoid people at all costs. I have reverted to carrying a spray bottle of Virex a disenfectent that kills most everything on contact and spray everything before I touch it. Boxes, gas pumps, shopping carts. I use Ozone everyday to treat my clothes and strip and now have started showering in my RV before going in my house. Please be safe, the social distancing is working. Shawn
Yep...mass burials began earlier this week on Hart Island. The dead are being buried by prisoners who are unloading them from trucks and stacking wooden coffins 3 high and in double rows within a long strip pit and then covering.
Yesterday’s data on new cases. There is a shallow arc forming and thus looks like “overall” the roller coaster is reaching the top and hopefully on its way to the downside. Yes, I am sure places like NY and others won’t perceive it getting better.
Another positive note for KS. Over the last few weeks we have been sitting at on avg. 17-18 from bottom of the US states listed with new cases. As of yesterday, we dropped to 13th from bottom. Good progress and hope we keep dropping. Need to get down to Alaska, Wyoming, Dakotas level.
Yeah the point is logarithmic charts are for comparing exponential growth. They are flat on purpose. A better indicator of “flattening the curve” is the daily new cases. Even better when you can look at the daily new cases by date of symptom onset. When a log chart gets over 100,000 there is a lot of ground to cover to reach the next step on the graph. If it continued to climb linearly at that point we would really be in trouble.
Cherney......per my 2nd post on 3/19 above, I clarify similarly about the log chart showing exponential growth which by the way also incorporates new cases daily as shown within the bubble of each chart posted.
The beauty of the log chart is it shows rate of change over time. Since we are going to be in this mess for many months to come, I figure it to be the best chart type to quickly see an overall continual, consistent trend of this thing over time while also understanding how new cases were on avg. doubling every 4-5 days. Some may disagree and say the linear chart is better. Don’t really care as both charts in the end will essentially tell the same story.
We lost 799 more yesterday and we will be at over 8000 tomorrow. They are flying in more funeral directors just to try and help with the mass amount of bodies accumulating. No need to look at graphs and charts to know this is a terrible time and it will get worse in other places before it gets better!! Be safe, stay home unless you are an essential worker!! Shawn
"New cases" is not accurate. I have discharged multiple patients in the last week that were symptomatic but we did not test them because they were stable.
Doesn't mean they have it if they have symptoms of it. Sounds like the symptoms are similar to a lot of other illnesses. What would you use as a barometer? Just looking at he graphs hoping for a glimmer of hope, Shawn. Hang in there.
For one, there is no other virus that is identical, especially when the chest x-ray shows ground glass opacity. Also most viral swabs are very inaccurate. The influenza test all hospitals use is only 40% accurate if it reads "negative". What I'm saying is, way more people have the virus than we'll ever know.
Right but there's no way to know that. So that doesn't make the confirmed cases invalid. It just reinforces the need to stay home and wear gloves and not touch your face and wash your hands, etc...
I agree. Most people dont know much of medicine is practiced and diagnosed based on clinical manifestations rather than tests that have a high rate of unreliability. Medicine is not, and never has been, an exact science.
Right now in my opinion we should be doing the tests that shows if you have had it and now have the anti-bodies. Simple stick test. One of our local hospitals just received permission to administer plasma from people who have had the virus and been symptom free for 14 days. Google Albany Medical Center. Shawn
Governor has ended the sale of NR turkey permits and tags. Those who have them, can use them but most follow quarantine guidelines if from appropriate states.
Thanks Cherney !! Please be safe if you folks decide to go to church on Sunday. I read of a guy in NJ who went to church than out to lunch and than to a funeral all in the same day and they basically traced 31 people they feel he infected directly. Fake new, I don't know but why risk it?? Shawn
Antler hog its people like you that don't get it!!! We have had over 3000 people die in the last 5 days, get it!! It takes a couple hundred days for those numbers you posted to add up. READ IT AGAIN!!! 5 DAYS OVER 3000 PEOPLE!!!! UNREAL HOW IGNORANT SOME PEOPLE ARE!!! Shawn
Antler hog its people like you that don't get it!!! We have had over 3000 people die in the last 5 days, get it!! It takes a couple hundred days for those numbers you posted to add up. READ IT AGAIN!!! 5 DAYS OVER 3000 PEOPLE!!!! UNREAL HOW IGNORANT SOME PEOPLE ARE!!! Shawn
Average daily death rate in NY in 2017 was only 336 per day under normal conditions. NY is a death zone currently but I still feel the Midwest is overreacting. We should continue precautions and social distancing, but locking everything down is not warranted. We are not in tight confines like Italy and NY. A near-total economic collapse is imminent if we dont get people back to work. 2 hospitals in KS have closed their doors in the last month, as have numerous other businesses.
Shawn, man, it must really be tough when people living out here lecture you on what it's really like living with Covid. Hope your wife, staff and you are still well. Think of you often.
Hope they can figure out how to ease us out of this, Jason. No doubt social-distancing and isolation work. Without question. But we can't go on like this forever.
Pretty sure there are still people dying of non-Covid reasons. NYC and Italy are tailor-made for such disasters, unfortunately, and it can spread out from there.
A friend from high school lives near one of the NYC hospitals and shared photos of the refrigerated trailers coming and going. I think she's lost three friends. No, they weren't all old and/or have pre-existing conditions.
As Matte eluded to, if this hit some of our remote western Kansas towns it could turn very bad, in a hurry because of a lack of hospitals and large percentage of elderly.
But there's no question the social-distancing is helping.
We have had our 6th straight day of over 700 deaths. That is over 4200 in six days. I understand we are not Kansas but the issue now is that our experts are saying it will begin to spread in the smaller suburbs as it eases in NY city which is asshole to elbow in people but social distancing works no matter where it is, can be a community with a few hundred people to a community with 9 million. Don't get comfortable, stay away from people as much as possible. I have recenty been needed down state near NYC and it is scary the lack of people, NY'ers are doing their part to slow the spread but it is killing our economy!! Writer if you add the people from non-Covid deaths just in NYC than we are well over 1100 a day. That is why we are burying unclaimed bodies in mass graves. To me that is scary!! Shawn
Read what, Jason, that social distancing is helping? Several sources. That Shawn is going through Hell is from his posts. That he's going to go to Heaven is general optimism.
"READ IT AGAIN!!! 5 DAYS OVER 3000 PEOPLE!!!! UNREAL HOW IGNORANT SOME PEOPLE ARE!!! Shawn"
A lot of those people were dying of other things like stage 4 cancer but since they contracted Covid-19 that is listed as cause of death when in fact the CANCER was overlying factor of death. When the 2020 CDC stats come out you will see a decrease in other causes of death and those decreases will be put in CoVid-19.
As some are aware the local Chase County State Lake is closed to all activities. It appears it is the only State lake that is closed. This action was done by local authorities due to people from the cities flocking to the lake. Most of them were fine and practiced social distancing. However, a few idiots believed they were special. If everyone had simply stayed at the lake it would most likely now be open for reasonable people to enjoy. Many decided to come into Cottonwood Falls and expected special treatment in the stores. For example one couple from Kansas City went into a local restaurant and expected/demanded to be served. The restaurant was not serving anybody in the normal set down fashion. I happened to be driving by the lake yesterday and saw a vehicle parking. Two people from another county got out of their vehcile and started walking into the property even though it is closed. I informed them that they did not belong where they were going. Unfortunately, this is the attitude of many. Rules do not apply to them. Our little county is virus free and we want to kept it that way. Sorry, for the rant , but I just had to vent a little.
That's one version, Hog. Others say they're not all being counted as Covid deaths unless they were so tested after their death.
Cause of death is cause of death. If I'm being treated for cancer, and get hit by a bus...how is it the bus killed me? Same with Covid. Had they not contracted the disease, they'd have lived longer.
It's whatever spin you want to put on it. You're on the outside looking in. Shawn's on the inside looking in, watching the dead be taken care of. A friend's sister, a nurse, is in NYC helping. She's from SE Kansas. She believes that high numbers are Covid from what she's seen. She has no patience for those calling it "mostly hype" or claiming the numbers are purposely inflated.
It's been two weeks, so it appears our pregnant daughter in So Cal either didn't get infected when exposed, or had no symptoms. Still awaiting more testing on the baby a friend is carrying. She was positive, had a rough time, especially with high fevers, and made it. Afterwards, the fetus had a brain tumor not there previously.
Assuming the New York numbers are accurate, they're losing more to COVID in a day than America loses to car crashes in a week.
Lee: this thing has gone astray. If i can help let me know. Our friends in Cottonwood have assured us they will feed us anytime. I like that lake and hate this thing has been screwed up by interlopers.
I'm on my 45th day of self isolation. Ask me if I believe it is serious. I can not even imagine what the care givers and self sacrifice those in New York are going through. I applaud you. So Hog what in the hell is your point in all your so called "fact posts"? Anyone in their right mind would take this seriously. Just pisses me off to go to Aldi's for some food and see NO ONE wearing a mask. I don't know how humans evolved as top of the food chain, when they are so damn stupid.
Listen the numbers I post are strictly Covid deaths!! Antlerhog, I try to be good but your a flat out asshole!!!! No doubt about it!! I hope I get to meet you one day in person, I think you know why!!! DOUSHBAG!!! Shawn
Shawn....calm down. Take a few deep breaths. You can't beat the crap out of every "douchebag" on this issue. You can, though, offer to trade them places for the next two weeks, or however long it will last. Good to hear from you, Dale. We know this isn't going to effect your brother, either. :-) Stay safe, and don't be afraid to take a slingshot and some marbles to Aldi to get their attention.
"So Hog what in the hell is your point in all your so called "fact posts"?"
Just posting facts....not one person can argue them. Two types of thinkers in this world emotional and factual. Very easy to spot either one. Now had I said "body bags filling up", "mass graves being dug", or "Coroners being flown in to help with the mass deaths" the emotional folks would respond much better. Gotcha headlines is all that is.
"Listen the numbers I post are strictly Covid deaths!!" Not really Scooby-doo someone who is in the hospital and 1 week away from dying of respiratory failure but gets Covid-19 and dies will be listed as dying from Covid-19. Read the attached document for details. Just because you live in NY and post on Kansas bowsite does not make you the Covid-19 expert.
Scooby has experience over some time, thus his ability to compare what is happening today versus past years dealing with the flu and drawing useful conclusions works for me better than someone half a country away just reading stats. But that's just me, Intel on the ground beats a report on paper most times.
They aren't facts. You have no clue what percentage of people dying with covid-19 had "other things like stage 4 cancer". It makes you look insensitive and dumb, even if you are neither. Doesn't really add any value for anyone either. I can post a bunch of random death statistics if it makes you feel better? Out of context (the percentage of covid patients with underlying conditions) these statistics mean very little and add no value to the conversation.
Here is a little factoid. Six paramedics in station came up positive over a eight day period. One female and five males. Age range from 26 to 47 all in relatively good heath. Three have had hospital stays, one been discharged and then had to return for another 5 days. one spent 3 days in and still at home still on oxygen with Moderate dyspnea. The third was admitted and up in ICU for over a week. He is home slowly recovering.
The cases and deaths we are seeing are all over the map in regards to age and comorbidity. HEPA prevents me from being more detailed, suffice to say be glad you and your loved ones arent experiencing it, and do what you can to mitigate while you can.
So far I been tagged for five positive exposures, sent for one test which resulted in a negative result. I Figure its not a matter of if but when I catch it. Stay safe everyone.
You meant HIPPA. The latest studies indicate the virus is attaching to different receptors in the lungs which is thought to be due to different DNA in different ethnicities. That's why it is killing different age groups in each country it visits. End result is basically the same in the fact it turns into a bad pneumonia and blood clotting disorder which shuts down all organs. We commonly see this in DIC ( disseminated intravascular coagulation) and end stage sepsis patients. Once it gets to this stage, only God can reverse it. They are finding out there is a higher death rate in patients placed on a vent too soon. The paralytics we give and the vent cause the alveoli to collapse and basically dry out and become useless sooner. High pressure oxygen such as C-PAP and Bi-PAP seem to have higher survival rates on relatively stable patients with decreased 02 sats and dyspnea. I've had 2 known positive patients, one early 30's that died but he had the worst type of medical history and was prone to respiratory infections. Was exposed to a third that has come to ER twice in the last 6 days and I'm the only one that can get an IV on her since IV team has been moved to Main. We usually see a few patients a day that we suspect are positive but we do not test unless they are admitted to ICU in critical condition. Main campus now has a covid unit. The numbers are minimal and nothing like what you see in NY.
Robin's cousin in PA is still in ICU holding on after a week ago the family was told her organs were shutting down. She improves, then regresses. Very sad situation. 54 year old female.
Reading the multitude of studies being published daily, we continue to learn much about viral attacks, but evidently not enough to save the thousands already having passed. Prayers to all of you dealing with this directly.
The boys at Bowsite are so sensitive. Don't say what they want to hear and the tears fly. For the record I am waist deep and up to my elbows in this. WAY more than anyone of you. I am signing off on the Death Certificates. On any given day I would take 1 logical thinker over 10 emotional thinkers. Carry on Gentlemen it looks like you all got this figured out.
AH, sure you are!! Still an idiot, we are losing more people a day in NY than almost the rest of the country. You want to be in deep, come do my job. I am suiting up now to enter a unit with 17 people with the virus, I would sign death certificates all day compared to what I am about to do!! We lost another 752 yesterday!!! Shawn
Zmax- change your handle, you sound like a feminine product. BTW, it's "douchebag" not "doushbag". Here we are correcting each other and nobody had it right lol.
We had over 600 more die yesterday. It may be flattening but real bad. Over 11 thousand new positives in the last 5 or 6 days. That means the death toll will remain somewhat steady for a while the experts are saying. I am about to go in and set some ventilation in 3 rooms all with Covid-19 patients. The governor is now requiring every one to wear a mask when out in public. Be safe!!
Scooby-Shawn, I will be honest....after seeing that pic of you in the white suit....roasting some JUMBO sized marshmallows this evening did come to mind, HA! Keep up the good work!
Why does all this happen on a Kansas BOWHUNTING SITE? Are there no other places to debate this unrelated stuff to bowhunting? Obviously the really major problem at this time in the country is that every woman in America needs a haircut.
Multiple ER physicians that I work with were convinced this virus was grown in a lab. Every time I mentioned it, I was laughed at. Fox news had a story today that was mighty convincing:
I am not at all convinced it came from a lab. RPI a huge engineering school and several other bio-medical schools say its nature and nature is just getting better as what it is doing!! Shawn
+1 Scooby. Appears that people didn't watch the video I provided in my post on 3/22 above. Here it is again from March 10, 2020.
Go to 18:02-21:00 to find out what one of the world's foremost experts in Infectious Diseases had to say about it being created/grown in a lab or for biological weapons.
Just silly talk...like someone saying CWD was engineered in a lab?
I already watched that episode. Ole Joe has some famous people on his shows but they usually end up smoking weed and eating hallucinogenic afterwards. Posting one doctor's opinion is not a good definitive resolution to a topic. I have been present to many conversations where the ER physician, the hospitalist, and the specialist could not agree on what was going on with a patient.
Thorton, that's OK.....no need to even consider an experts opinion who by the way has been studying nothing but Infectious Diseases for the last last 30+yrs and who also laid out in his book (from 5 yrs. ago) exactly what would occur worldwide if this very thing happened. Which so far has all been spot on....including his warnings in January 2020 and again in February 2020.
No problem, go ahead and be "convinced" that the virus was lab developed from what a FOX news article reports.....which is just chalk full of such key words as (accused of, come into questioning, no evidence, theories, opinion pieces, many believe, potential, most likely, strongly suggest, etc.). Those are some real eye opening, definitive, convincing statements. Did you happen to read the last 2 paragraphs of the article you linked?
Also, not quite tracking with comments in your earlier post today above...about multiple ER physicians that you work with that are convinced that the virus was grown in a lab but when you mentioned it...you were laughed at. Assume you were laughed at by others and not those same ER physicians, correct?
Mike Osterholm is a great source of information. He has weekly podcast that gives good common sense updates to the situation. Also it will be hard to find anyone who has been more spot on with his predictions on how this pandemic may pan out. He time line is laid out from mid January
"While the lab played a large role in China's identification of the outbreak as a novel, or previously unknown, coronavirus, its achievement has been eclipsed by theories that humans first contracted the virus as the result of an accident at the laboratory." "The cable states that "the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases. From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention."
Despite evidence that points to dangerous practices inside the Wuhan labs, top U.S. military brass, as well as other senior officials, have told Fox News that the origins of COVID-19 did not come from a laboratory nor was it the result of a bioweapon.
"And if I could just be clear, there is nothing to that," Air Force Brig. Gen. Paul Friedrichs told Fox News last week.
So yeah, I'd say at this point it's a conspiracy theory by definition.
A good friend ,who is also older than most rocks, and I came up with 37 great conspiracies of our long lives. She remembered Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis both being CIA fiction to scare Americans into cowing down to the government, civil rights marches sponsored by the Commies, Watergate was a Democrat set-up. Pretty much any major event, didn't happen the way we were told it happened. Sheeple, we're all a bunch of sheeple.
Everyone knows this virus was created by two WWE wrestlers in a backroom of TGI Fridays with some hot wing sauce and spit in Lake Placid NY! Please be safe this thing ain't over and here in NY it will last a lot longer. SHAWN
Crested, You seem to lack in comprehension. The ER physicians said themselves they suspected it was grown in a lab. I mentioned that on here and you non-medical people laughed at it. Now FOX News said there is plenty of evidence suggesting Wuhan was tinkering with it and somehow it made it out the door.
CAUSE THEY STOLE ALL OF OUR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They paid our margin chasing corporate big wigs to butter them up and then swiped our jobs out from under us.
Yeah I was joking. We have a trade war with them and all they did was sell us cheap products that we willingly buy in mass quantities... Hopefully they will start playing by the same rules as everyone else and we can get that resolved soon after this deal too.
Yes, I was joking as well. I don't think we will know what really happened for awhile. But I am not the scientist many are here.
Article in the WSJ today suggesting COVID may not be as deadly as thought as there might be 60-85X the number of infected that has been reported which would make the fatality rate much lower.
Last article I read from FOX indicated that Wuhan was tampering with the virus in an attempt to control it and it mysteriously got out of the facility. Now you're saying ABC has the gospel truth. In ten years we'll probably still wonder what the truth is. Meanwhile in the Midwest, Frank believes he knows all things medicine because he is related to doctors and nurses and such. I'm just sitting here in ER doing my thing, taking care of the rare symptomatic covid patient, waiting on this hysteria to stop. But then again, I'm just an RN who worked ER as a EMT through the H1N1 pandemic that killed up to half a million folks worldwide. According to Frank, RNs have no medical knowledge even though we work with, and carry out the orders of the brightest, board certified ER physicians in the country. The influx of positive patients has never happened anywhere in Kansas and the hospitals are suffering because of it. My hospital and all area hospitals have cancelled all elective surgeries and procedures. Due to rapid decline income, they have cut our hours and are giving us 70% pay. Lower level healthcare personnel such as techs and CNAs have been laid off. 2 doctors I work with have taken temporary travel assignments in busier states in fear they will be laid off. Mid levels such as APRNs and PAs have had their hours cut. My ER usually sees 60-80 patients a day. We are down to 20 now because people are afraid they will get sick if they come to the hospital. Several inpatient floors have been closed due to lack of admissions. Nurses have been dispersed to sister hospitals in an attempt to keep them in work. My day ER physician exclaimed today we need to reopen everything because economic collapse is imminent. He does not believe the virus is as deadly in this part of the country as previously estimated. There is a tentative plan to reopen elective surgeries in 2 weeks due to the current financial situation and lack of the influx of covid patients.
No doubt and probably more that were not tested. NY is the real deal but I believe the Midwest is too far in the interior to be very affected. We aren't seeing near the influx we experienced from H1N1.
I never said that or implied it. What I do think is an RN in rural KS with limited education and experience probably knows a lot less about this disease than people with advanced degrees in medicine, multiple Board certifications and a lifetime of research and work in the field whose opinions are in the news because their expertise is peer recognized.
Extending that same logic, I have zero degrees in the field and know zilch. However, having some contacts in the know at Cerner, I listened to their advice early on to take this very seriously and followed their recommendations.
Listening to people much more informed than myself, I am inclined to think the Midwest has not been hit as hard as NYC and other areas due to our lower density and more lead time to implement social distancing practices.
But I gather these folks are all wrong? Thank you for educating us.
Announced today at Johnson County Community College that all summer classes will be on-line, no face to face classes. I believe KU and KSU are doing the same.
Employees were told the decision was based on the input of our county health board and the governor's people.
Coincidentally our Business Advisory Board meeting was scheduled for today, one of my responsibilities. We Zoomed the meeting as the campus is closed. The Chamber of Commerce representative provided his update, and they are inclined to believe when the economy starts to open back up business practices will be possibly forever changed such as reduced occupancy rates in restaurants.
Obviously this area is much denser and so a different approach may be justified. But the health experts here are advising this, maybe they need to consult with others?
Cerner is a computer company that makes medical EMRs. As I have repeatedly stated, this is what I'm seeing at my ER and the sister hospitals, as well as the observations stated by physicians I work with 3 days a week. Past co-workers in KCK and Hutchinson are seeing about the same thing we are.
And other areas are having a different experience and measures are being taken to prevent that experience from manifesting itself here.
Cerner is not a computer company, but again you will respond all knowingly.
Jason, I have no doubt about what you are experiencing at your rural hospital. But to extrapolate what you are experiencing and apply it elsewhere is scientifically flawed, IMHO. And yes, I know a lot less about all things medical than you do. But, I do value other opinions than yours more right now. And you may be right, or not.
You are adamant that a Wuhan lab created this virus, yet we have actual experts disagreeing. Speaking for myself only, a person loses credibility to me when rendering a conclusion when our own experts are just beginning to investigate. I like to wait for evidence. Unless you have some expertise I am not aware of?
Sorry if I don't take FOX News as the definitive knowledge on this. I feel the same towards CNN if it makes you feel better.
It's OK to disagree. Maybe we can try that without insults? Just ask me, I will state my opinion, no need to mislead. Hope that is fair?
Frank, My ER hardly qualifies as rural. If I work main campus, we see up to 300 patients a day. I have privileges in any of 4 ERs in a city of close to 400,000. Eldorado and Emporia were rural and many physicians took advantage of it because they got tuition reimbursement for hospitals qualified as "rural". Direct from CERNER: Cerner\u0027s health information and EHR technologies connect people, information and systems around the world.They are an electronic medical record company, not a hospital. I only tell you guys what I see and hear, just as some of the others on here do who actually work with these patients. You are getting your info from the news, or acquaintances, and you pick and choose to believe whatever fits your ideas on the subject.
What you just posted about Cerner proves it is not a computer company. Yes, INFORMATION technology, I placed in bold the key word.
My ideas on the subject have been formed by multiple sources, some from people we know, some from studies I read, some even from sites like this. Shawn has been quite informative.
Robin's oldest sister, an RN, and extended family live in Olympia Washington, close to where this began on the west coast. Hmmm. Their experiences are different than yours.
Jason, I take many variables into account, probably because of my back ground and the scientific approach/model building I was trained in. I look at what I frequently see you do, make bold statements without all of the information others have. You frequently make inaccurate statements, such as Cerner is a computer company, and then try and back track with explanations that you think people must be stupid enough to believe. It has destroyed your credibility for me. If a person takes such liberties with minor points such as the focus of a company's mission, I naturally discount what their view is on other matters. That's just me though.
My thoughts so far from multiple sources is that we don't know enough yet. The predictive models seem to be highly inaccurate at first, which is to be expected given limited data points to feed the model, and most likely false information and data provided by China at the start.
The models seem to be more reliable as time goes on, again, to be expected. Given many variables such as genetic structure as well as individual health etc, we continue to learn who is at greater risk. This is what is called information, and companies with hundreds of patents and scientists are helping put the pieces of the puzzle together for us. Some of this is reported in GPF, which I told you is a source I use, and find highly credible.
Yes, I do find this approach more credible than listening to you. I have concluded from information I believe has a much broader perspective than yours that caution is an intelligent approach, especially for myself and Robin. I also believe a discussion regarding cost/benefits with regards to reopening the economy ought to be taking place, but based on the best information available from a panel of folks that actually know more than most of us including myself and you.
BTW Jason, Robin and I never had children. I tell you that hopefully to give you some pause as to my criticism above, you make statements/accusations lacking information. For myself, on enough occasions my first impression/conclusion in life on things I had limited knowledge/information on proved to be wrong, so I have learned to be more cautious. Again, that is just me. Did the virus originate in a lab or the wet markets is an example of me wanting more information before concluding anything. It looks like our government and others are starting an investigation. I bet they don't ask for your opinion, but rather look at as much hard evidence, now deleted scientific papers etc. they can track. I agree with this approach. Hope that helps clarify my position for you.
"Listening to people much more informed than myself, I am inclined to think the Midwest has not been hit as hard as NYC and other areas due to our lower density"
You needed an expert to tell you that? Do you think a guy living in the interior of Alaska has less chance of getting Covid-19? Or do you need an experts opinion? Keep studying Frank you are going to break this thing wide open.
I can assure everyone, here in NY if we did not right away on social distancing we would of lost tens of thousands more than we have. 506 dead today so that is dropping some but new hospitalization was again around 2000. I am sorry but no matter where I lived I would err on the side of caution. Here in the entire state we must now where a mask if social distancing is not possible. So anywhere in public. We are also seeing people who tested positive, than 14 days later tested negative are now testing positive again. This means a vaccine may be tougher to come up with. That in turn means it could get bad again later in the year. As a society this has changed us forever and that is sad. I have lost several elderly friends and a couple young healthy friends to this and that has forever changed me!! Again please use your head to stop the spread!! Shawn
I just read an article that said the CDC released a bunch of contaminated test kits that were giving false positives. That's got to throw a wrench into things.
Hopefully you're intelligent enough to see an attempt at tact there. We have been listening to folks since the beginning, folks that we know their credibility, not strangers on the I-net.
A member of some tribe in an isolated area tested positive last week. How did that happen? Yes, I will keep informed.
Look up EMR (ELCTRONIC MEDICAL RECORD) Frank. They go on computers. Computers are the ONLY way we record anything in medicine anymore. I used CERNER at Hutchinson when I worked there. I am typing on a work computer right now that uses Meditech for my assessments and results. Meditech is an EMR just like CERNER. Washington is not anywhere near the problem NYC is. In fact, her travel agency cancelled the contract on one of my nights RNs before she even got to fly out there. They have dismantled the military tents set up in preparation for "the surge" that never happened. She is now in NYC and she told us yesterday the numbers are starting to fall and they are no longer hiring travel RNs for ER. They are focusing on the patients now that are in ICU. One of my agents confirmed this with me today.
Catscratch- It wouldn't surprise me. The influenza test we use in ER is only 40% accurate if it reads "negative". Most practitioners will treat based on symptoms due to the inaccuracy of it. On the other hand, bits of dead virus can set off a "positive"
Have not posted in a bit but supposedly we are on a downward trend, yet one University said we will not peak til May 9th. We have 7 new cases at my work and all staff members. That makes a total of 31. 6 dead at our building. The biggest issue I see is when you get asshole to elbow with people and you cannot social distance, that is where the cases come from. Stay away from everyone the best you can. I have not been able to see any of my loved ones but my wife in 2 weeks. I have been quarantined twice. Tested negative twice and going tomorrow to be tested for anti bodies as I am pretty sure I had Covid 19 back in late Feb. We shall see, it's still bad here, we lost 472 again yesterday. Please use your head and stop the spread!! Be Safe!! Shawn
Ok, another up date. We just got results back at my building 36 of 40 tested are positive. That makes 56 these are both residents and staff. This is a death sentence for most of these residents as they are all over 80 and all have underlying health conditions. We have lost 17 already and now over 20 staff members with it. We are waiting for the health department to step in to see where we go from here. I have been instructed as has my staff to stay outside and keep busy. It looks like all our efforts have failed. We will continue to try and do our best but loved ones dying holding a
Shawn...was there no way to set-up temporary isolation rooms/bays/conditions for your building? Assume it has gotten this bad because everyone is just breathing and transferring via the same re-circulated air system throughout the bldg? Similar to being stranded on a cruise ship and having no choice but to breath the same re-circ. air throughout the ship. Which by the way (when there is a pandemic) is about the worst possible human experiment to put people through. Get them off that boat or out of that bldg. to begin quarantine.
Unfortunately, appears to be far too late for staff and residents at this point. Stay well!
No it is a nursing home, no way to bounce residents from room to roo. The air is basically cleansed and vented outside so not responsible for the spread. Its old people and trying to do social distancing. When you have 40 residents on a unit and roughly 5 people taking care of them it is hard. We had one wing for positive patients and everyone who was positive and well enough to move was moved there. The problem is that wing filled up and we tried to basically shelter in place. Being short staffed people who were working that unit were needed in other units and although tested negative that is one of the ways it spread. Housekeeprs I believe were spreading it as well as well as PT people as they were working in multiple areas of the building, not those folks fault they were do as told and following all precautionary procedures. Just today the state with came out with new guidelines basically telling all nursing homes to have specific staff and specific areas entered by the same specific people!! DUH!! I have been telling administartion all along what they were doing was nuts, but I am just a maintenance main but one with an IQ higher than our 3 department heads put together. It is what it is. News reports today said we had 27 positive cases in our facility, LMAO, we have over 57 residents and 21 staff memebers positive right now and that does not count the 30 that have either died or recovered from the virus. Sorry but its a shit show and I have a front row seat. I am getting the RV ready and Saturday I am moving in there as I do not want to risk my wife anymore than I already have. Gonna move one of the dogs in with me for company as the RV sits on a nice trout stream and Leroy loves to retrieve or try to retrieve my catches!! Stay safe guys!! Shawn
"Rural hospital" ? Frank? HTH does Wichita qualify as rural? One of the ERs I work is the one of 2 level I Trauma centers in the state. I worked ER during the H1N1 pandemic in 2009 and the numbers we are seeing in KS now are very similar to then.
Some medical facilities back this way will not hire nurses with less than a Bachelor's, we hear this directly from our students. No offense intended, if I face a major health challenge I am not headed to Wichita, but KU. There is a reason they enjoy a national reputation IMO.
JCCC announced Friday that all non-lab classes for this Fall will be on-line. I guess they are listening to medical personnel other than you Jason, folks at the state and county level that have concluded this has the potential to be much worse than H1N1. I have been at the college since '91 and we have never before in my knowledge even considered such an action.
My guess is that we want to avoid what Shawn and others have witnessed first hand in NY, NJ and now possibly MA.
Based on your pattern of snap decisions while considering incomplete information, on a variety of topics both here and in PMs, and what appears an inability to reassess and admit miscalculations after receiving more information, I will place my confidence in folks that have a heck of a lot more experience and training.
Maybe if you keep stating your expertise, someone will eventually listen and call you to ask your opinion on what we should do. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
Your ignorance is well noted Frank. As I told you in PM, I have 7 years of college and 14 years experience in ER, 6 as a RN. Feel free to look up my license. Also, I have already worked "in your part of the country" at Providence ER in KCK as a traveler in 2017. We saw less patients there than we do in Wichita. Many of my co-workers there were RNs from Johnson County Community College, including several night charge nurses. When I did work rural ERs across KS, we often saw worse cases than I do at the big campus. This was in part due to the fact there was no local trauma center and EMS protocol dictates they take patients to the nearest ER. I took care of multiple amputations, MVCs, gunshot wounds and other various traumas while working rural areas. Worst amputation I had was when a guy handed me a hand on top of a flannel shirt that had been plucked from his friend's arm while operating heavy machinery with a PTO. The tendons were all stretched out the back. I sit on my ER interview panel occasionally and we hire RNs with the best references and experience. The college they attended is listed on the resume' but it is not a requirement. Several hospitals attempted to make MAGNET status about ten years ago, but it was never achieved. They licensure exam for all RNs in the US is the NCLEX. If you pass it, you are a RN. As I explained to you earlier, I passed both my LPN and RN exam the first try with the minimum number of questions. I actually admitted a probable covid patient last night. I will know in a few days if they are positive. This would make about my 6th known exposure. As I said earlier, we are not seeing very many patients in this part of the country. My co-worker that signed up for the high pay in Louisiana just got her contract cancelled and she is headed back. She was supposed to have 4 more weeks but the patient numbers have declined dramatically. NYC was paying $10k/week for ER RN for about 3 weeks and those contracts are now being cancelled. They have also put back into place the NY RN license requirements that were relaxed during the peak. Also, the most recent study indicates if you are on BP meds, you are at a much higher risk of death by covid. It is thought ACE inhibitors are opening channels that the virus takes. Let me know if you need to learn anything else, since I'm actually the one taking care of these patients.
Not belittled at all, pointed out the facts. There are tons more folks here that have a ton more experience and education than you do. Your ignorance to the Covid challenge from lack of experience is one small example. We don't have a problem here because of decisions made by folks who never asked you your opinion.
If I get sick or injured and not an emergency, I am going to call medical folks we know for advice, folks who don't need to spout off how much they know. That is what I did for the only surgery I needed, back surgery. My surgeon did Tony Romo's back, Cowboys flew him down there for the surgery. He is listed as number one or two in both back and brain surgery in the nation. He is not from Wichita and nothing lower than a PA in his practice.
It's nice your friends come to your support like mom and dad did for you when you were in school, but given your initial ignorance on Covid and quick adamant conclusions you insisted on in face of someone else actually dealing with not six possible exposures but scores of dead bodies, I discounted everything you say from then on out. This is not H1N1 and the national body count already surpasses 40k which is equal to some years' annual death total from the flu.
You are an RN with multiple certifications, my wife is an RDH. There are some things you both are allowed to do, but the serious stuff is done by a doctor, or if you under close supervision. You are not an expert on viral diseases.
And I will add, before back surgery I checked with one of my customers who retired as head of KU medical. He said Paul was the only guy he would allow to cut on his back, and was opposed to back surgery. Dr. Neil was the first person in this area to do genetic research, published multiple books, papers and multiple panel certifications. He knew a lot, and knew what he didn't know as well. Some with a lot less education and experience don't know what they don't know.
Had business in one of the small towns that is a "hotspot" for Covid, was not thrilled about going, was surprised the people there going about their lives like no big deal. Did not notice any precautions. Got in and out of there as fast as I could. According to the radio we are adding 200 cases a day now in Kansas.... Was just 20 a day a few weeks ago... Now the radio says you can get this over again after you've already had it once....
Once again, throwing around names of people you supposedly know that are not doing surgeries because the hospitals have shut down everything elective.I don't care what your wife does, what your cousin does, or even what an ortho surgeon does. I've never said anything more than what I do, what I'm seeing in the biggest city in KS, and what my physicians are saying. I've been telling everyone to mask up and practice hand hygiene and social distancing. I would be real worried if I were you Frank, because the folks in your age group are at high risk. Were at 204k dead now for Covid The CDC says H1N1 killed up to 575k worldwide :The US Centre for Disease and Control Prevention (CDC) estimated that 150, 000 to 575,000 people died from (H1N1) pandemic virus infection in the first year of the outbreak.
Once again Thorton throwing around accusations without any knowledge whatsoever. This is what you always do and why no matter what education or experience you want to tout you have zero credibility IMO.
Paul Obynick, Neil Schimke, the latter passed, but real names. Paul did my surgery. You can google them. Neil I knew for 10 years and advised me against surgery but after hearing my family and three other health care professionals and talking to 3 folks who had surgery with Paul, said he was the only one he would ever let any of his family have back surgery with. The story about Tony Romo came up because prior to surgery Paul asked me if I had any questions. I told him bow season started in six weeks and wondered if I would have the ability to hang a stand that I transported in on my back. His response was "I had Tony Romo playing football in a year, you will be bowhunting in 6 weeks" and he walked out of the room.
Really, do you ever tire of accusing people of false stories? I question your intelligence at this point. You did this numerous times in our PMs and when proof was given, you always went on to another insult or accusation. It's really laughable here to see you try and play victim. Here's a suggestion, wait until you have some proof before you start leveling accusations.
Here is your first post on this thread;
"No worries whatsoever except with the newbs. Working ER in Wichita this week and the team is calm as can be. This is a media propelled virus with political undertones that is literally wrecking the economy. "
The reality is the media had nothing to do with the dead people. We are all going to die of something, people with the flu had cancer, heart conditions, etc, they are still counted as dying from complications...The team of doctors reported said Friday (?) that this is 20X worse than the flu and is leading all other causes of death right now. Even with errors in counting, it is a problem. But maybe they should consult the great and all knowing Thornton?
I am not worried, I am 61 and diabetic and as I have told my students, it is a blessing that this virus attacks the elderly and not the young. I have had my shot at life, and really am mostly the past. They are our nation's future. My wife agrees. If I/we have to go, so be it, I would have rather died in battle but the Good Lord calls us home when it is the time He designated. Ironic that you now suggest I should be concerned when just two weeks ago it was just a media propelled virus. Be really an improvement to see you for once admit a mistake and come clean.
Robin and I counted on the way back home...4 RNs (one now deceased), 3 doctors and one that is an MSN or Nurse Practitioner, she has her Master's in nursing, in our family. Not one would make the statement you did, and I don't see where you changed your position even after Shawn told you what his experiences are and what the press has reported worldwide. I guess the Italians, Spanish, etc. all have a vendetta against Trump? Watch something besides FOX.
All I did was say my position of you being a RN with an Associate's degree and there are many who have similar qualifications and a lot who have much more. It is the truth and you act like you have been insulted. Yet, you insult numerous folks on this site like ranchers (greedy), a LO who leased and you have no idea of the transaction any more than what was posted here, calling me Fat and old etc. Somebody like me doesn't agree with what you posted and we get a PM threatening us. Yes, I did call you a punk for doing that. Anyone with a serious education knows we can disagree without resorting to violence. And I am not the only one you did that to.
Get over yourself Jason. You have some nice credentials, congratulations...Seriously. But like everyone they are limited credentials, you are not a semi-god. But many others have much more accomplishments than you, and more than me for sure. Try acknowledging others and quit pretending you are an expert especially when you lack information.
This wasn't a media driven health crisis to get rid of Trump, but more likely a crisis the democrats never let go to waste. And the virus may or may not have been created for a weapon, but evidence certainly suggests the Chinese did not take proper actions and may have allowed it to escape their country so they could save face. The doctors laughed at your suggestion because they know an RN does not have the ability to make that determination any more than a member of the general public. You are the only one who doesn't realize you lack the, well everything, to make such a determination.
I felt bad for Shawn, he needed a little support. Hopefully I planted a seed, which I suspect will need to be watered on occasion.
Frank, it takes me 3 seconds to look at your replies because I usually dont read them. Stop blowing up my mailbox with all the credentials you don't have medicine lol.
I haven't sent anything to your mailbox in days, and it worked as I haven't received any of your threats back.
I make a deal with you, I will quit talking about my medical credentials, if you quit exaggerating yours. I never started, so this should be easy for me, but difficult for you.
I've screenshot all your threats, including the vague but impotent "morgue or ICU" that you worked into your rant when I mentioned your elderly wife. It has been screenshot and sent to a lurking LEO on here. Meanwhile, just sitting here in ER waiting on you to teach me something I don't already know about medicine with the vast knowledge that somehow rubbed off on you by your practicing family members, friends, and acquaintances...
Any LEO reading what you just posted ought to be laughing. You just admitted to insulting a man's wife. I would never threaten you, mock you yes. That LEO might consider your post a taunt Jason. Hmmm, but, the mask is an improvement;-) That is in fun.
I have never tried to teach you anything medical, maybe your reading comprehension is lacking. What I have communicated is based on your posts you are not someone I would listen to and do have enough folks who I have learned are credible and worth listening to. They know the difference between a computer company and a medical information/ technology provider for example.
Any chance you now recognize Covid is a real challenge and not a political ploy?
You are a little funny, you threaten me in a post, then threaten to report me to work, and now threaten me with an LEO. Come on Jason, just give everyone the respect that you demand. People are going to disagree.
Please concentrate on work now. I thought we were done.
This is a hospital parking lot in Wichita on a Sunday afternoon. Close to 90 inpatient beds including cardiac/med/surg/ICU that are empty. The hospital hard prepared for an influx that never happened and closed all elective procedures. They have a tentative plan to re-open with full precautions in the next week or two. I have always reported what I am seeing and hearing, nothing more. I also never said it wasn't a challenge.
And you understand that is not what other areas of the country experienced?
You also understand that we did not experience what others did because of lower human densities, social distancing, stay at home, and other precautions?
You also understand that the threat is not perceived to be over yet, that some experts anticipate another worse round this fall, that the virus will continue to mutate and this could stretch out for some time?
I have zero medical knowledge on any of this. But what you have observed is not what others have reported across the nation. And obviously even Trump now sees it as real or he would not be on TV almost daily.
That was my point all along, your experience at your facility and your knowledge IMO did not qualify you to tell us this was not real serious and only a political ploy. I found it irresponsible and misleading, just as I did when Trump implied Lysol could kill the virus in us. We have to be cautious regarding life and death. Wichita is not Washington is not NY and now not MA.
I don't even think the fat lady is humming yet. We continue to learn more daily. I hope and pray opening the economy up does not cause the virus to spread quicker.
I already said multiple times NYC is the real deal and I spoke of the decline before the news reported it. As one physician I work with said a few weeks ago: "We all laughed at it until it started killing young people"
It's not just NYC, we have 57 people still with active cases at my job and 20 that have recovered. It's worst here now than ever. It is getting slightly better in NYC. Shawn
Thorton's mood and opinion has changed, as has those of most of us. I've always taken it seriously, but hearing from my kids on the west coast, Shawn and a few videos from the NYC hospitals have driven the severity home.
I'm almost as tired of the arguing and hate between Americans as I am social distancing and closed businesses.
Very, very fortunate all in my family can work from home. No added financial stress. Savings account is a bit better than when this all began.
Thanks for answering some of the questions I've had going through this, Jason.
I can't see writer writing an article and making conclusions without due diligence in his research. His credibility would be at stake if he did.
This is not aimed at Thornton, but the lack of due diligence when national figures claimed this was nothing to worry about, IMHO, had to have caused more deaths and illnesses. Will anyone hold them accountable, or just blame the Chinese for all of it?
And yes, I think people who are looked up to because of credentials must be cautious making pronouncements when their information is limited. Glad folks arrived at different conclusions now about the severity of this, a little caution early on would have been prudent IMHO. Only time will tell if the right lessons have been learned.
HFW, if when all this got going here in early March(I know it was sooner) people social distancing and education. It would of saved a lot of lives. I was tested for anti-bodies, turned out I had it at some point but was never tested for actual virus until it was too late and my test showed negative. I am donating plasma on Thursday. I will also be tested again as some folks who have gotten over the virus are again testing positive. It's no joke at my work right now, literally before entering a unit we have to put on all PPEs and take it all off and go through a containment unit where we shower and bag our clothes. 36 out of 36 residents on one unit positive. I believe are new numbers are over 70 confirmed cases between staff and residents. Be safe wherever you are!! Shawn
Dang, Cherney, you're on a comedic roll and have actually been kind of nice to me...twice this year, already? Assume that's because of the Covid fever? :-)
Jason has mellowed on Covid. He admitted one video from a NYC hospital was pretty powerful and he has the ability to explain medical-speak so even a KU guy can understand it. Well, some of it. Ok, he does it in a way so I know when I'm at least supposed to nod my head up and down like I do understand.
Frank, what are you talking about. I have no credibility. I'm a journalist. Even after the layoff the, the newspaper lets me techno-sit in on the "How will we screw the public" today meetings.
Be glad when late summer gets here and guys start filling feeders again, so we can at least get some different people arguing.
HFW, Do you think China has a choke hold on the USA, economically? If so how do we fix it? Who will you vote for, to fix it? You being an Economics Professor, I would be interested in your thoughts on that.
Mike, nice that you are attempting to be a peace maker. FWIW, this seems to not get through for some reason...we have family who are RNs/doctors in Washington. They called early on to tell us this was the real deal and were concerned for us. The former COO of Cerner confirmed to us the same, in fact not allowing contact with me when I went to his property to drop off some material. There were numerous others who advised the same, that had more knowledge and more experience directly with Covid than Jason did.
At 61, combination of age, knowledge and experience you know when to listen, and to whom. I knew nothing about this virus, but knew enough to listen, read and learn. I have zero medical knowledge and have always admitted that.
Jason's may have now arrived at a different conclusion. It would be nice for him to admit that himself, here on the forum. If you are going to take an adamant stance on an important, life challenging issue, you had either better be right or if wrong have more than what he presented to us as a reason this was nothing to worry about and was a political ploy. He makes snap judgments frequently, and when presented with facts that don't support his views he discounts them and attacks the person he disagrees with. You can do that on most matters, but again when it comes to something this serious either know what the heck you are talking about and be able to back it up with facts or sit down. The facts were coming in for a long time before Jason changed his position.
I have no problem with him personally, I hope he learns from this to make sure he is fully informed before he starts telling the rest of us how little we know.
And yes, I know I can be very direct and confrontational. We also knew first hand from Robin's cousin that this is the real deal, she has been in a comma for 6 weeks, and the inevitable is just taking time. We also have Shawn reporting live, or rather dead, not trying to be insensitive. So yes, I am a little pissed when someone of limited knowledge and experience thinks they know more than they do, and rightfully so.
When we are wrong, admit it,learn from it, improve. Quit defending the indefensible.
Yes, my title is a professor but my students call me Frank because I tell them I am an instructor. I teach at a community college, only have a Master's plus and am not published in my field. Professors are tenured PhDs at 4 year Universities who are published IMO.
Short story, Trump has done a lot of good in breaking the China-U.S supply chain. His policies have caused difficulties in China, which I believe has many similarities to the Third Reich. Other countries are starting to produce products China did, their economy was already starting to feel the heat before Covid. I give Trump credit on this.
Like every president/person, we are right on some matters and wrong on others. Trump doesn't seem to know when he is wrong. If he is not re-elected IMHO it has little to do with the biased press or democrats but his own behavior. Too bad because I agree with many of his economic policies.
Heard stories of higher education teachers, promoting boarder line socialism, anti Trump, left winger crap. Good to hear you are not one of them. Just ticks me off to the hilt to go into almost any store and get what you were after and see it is made in China, almost everything. There needs to be a balance, I understand that, and this country has been on the short end of that balance for many years. Trump 2020. Not interested in starting another thread on the subject, I guess, somehow I have a gut feeling this covid19, is a conspiracy to bring down the USA economically, and I might add it has worked to a T. So far. Who to believe, is unbelievable with all the choices we have. Right now I don't believe you or Thornton. I think this goes WAY beyond yours, mine and Thortons understanding of what the end result will be. Conspiracy speaking, their Modus Operandi has worked perfectly with social media and "fake news" leading the fall of our economy. But, wear your mask, and stay distant. My life depends on it. :)
LOL, I don't believe we live any where near each other?
Dale, for this to be a conspiracy, the rest of the entire world would have to be in on it. I leave room for the possibility, but it seems very highly unlikely and even more implausible IMO.
I am a free market, democratic loving, capitalist pig. Not because it is perfect, but because it is much better than anything else, IMHO.
I am politically unaffiliated and agree with G. Washington that political parties will bring the end to this country. While I agree that many, probably most, higher education teachers lean left, there are enough of the "good" guys and gals amongst us. I have enjoyed some popularity at the college through my 29 years, and it has little to do with my teaching but rather my free market leanings. That ought to give us some hope with the young people.
And I respect that you believe neither of us and continue to look. That is how all of us should be. Thanks.
Its a thing done on purpose by China and has worked wonderfully without firing a shot. And I catch hell from about everyone around me for saying so, so what. They keep saying the USA has the most deaths, how the hell do we know that, when the liars are reporting from China.
"how the hell do we know that, when the liars are reporting from China." I agree keepemsharp. No way possible to believe anything coming from a communist country. the USA and China are nearly the same size in area, but population wise China has 1.4 Billion people, USA 330 Million, yet we have more deaths than China or anywhere in the world. Yeow right! Fake numbers? The media has fooled us all. Give em hell Mr. Trump.
210 countries have varying amounts of covid 19 cases, and have taken a broad range of measurements to contain it, mitigate it and eliminate it. Ranging from the most Draconian to extremely laissez faire. I think the jury is still out as to what worked best and to what degree. I also have a suspicion that we are still in the infancy of this pandemic.
The main reason the United States is the epicenter of this at this point has all to do with freedom and being one of the most affluent societies in the world. Both of those reasons are responsible for a population that is more mobile on a global scale than any place else. The idea that this was let lose to destroy the united states is quite frankly, well just silly. A lab accident, I can buy. A natural occurrence, i can buy that as well. A grand plan to Get trump? Sorry I dont buy it. We are the largest and best positioned economy in the world relative to the handful of the biggest of country's combined. If the worlds ship is going down, we are the guys with the best life boats. The idea that this all a political ploy is symptomatic of the of how ego centric we have become.
Anyway, in my neck of the woods we are seeing and transporting known positive cases daily, its been steady. We have a couple more medics out sick with it now. Testing is picking up and the biggest surprise has been the antibody tests results have all over the map and from what i seen aren't quite reliable yet. We had both negatives and positives from previous known positive staff.
Our total call volume is down however the number of codes are off the charts. A good thing is that we have some CC units open up recently so there is more capacity in my area, the bad news is how they came to be open. I hopefully that this leveling off stays the course.
But those UFO conspiracy theories seem to be gaining a little credibility right now. I leave room for man to lack a complete understanding of the universe, maybe the flap of butterfly wings do cause a chain reaction?
In case anyone missed this thread on the BGF regarding what others were/are experiencing with the virus, here you go. It would have been very easy for anyone participating here to find this thread and consider it before rendering an opinion. Medical personnel IMHO have a higher ethical obligation to do so, and am willing to bet professional standards of conduct would expect the same.
I agree Mike, there are angry people out there, best way to deal with them is producing accurate information.
I just don't understand why Kavanaugh being accused of sexual misconduct was a national story for months and you have to search to find info on Biden's story right now on every outlet except Fox News. Why does that happen?
Shawn, Thornton, you guys who work in the field. The numbers on this keep going up, heard on the radio that 3,500 people have it in Kansas now, and 5% of those will die. It goes up every day. And the State is on "stay at home" now. In a few days the "stay at home" expires and it's back to normal, so about two weeks after that cases will start going up faster than they do now. I understand the number of people who have it will continue to go up until roughly 75% of the population has gone through it? That all sound about right? Just looking to get an idea of what the future looks like.
Its all about testing, more cases will continue to show up as more people are tested. The anti-body thing is a bit in doubt as well now. Some folks are saying people can get it again!! I honestly believe if you live in an area where people are again excues my language not asshole to elbow it may be a good idea to let the strong and healthy get infected and protect the elderly and people with pre-existing medical conditions would be the way to go. herd immunity would be wonderful, even if it took a couple times of being infected to get build that immunity. The problem is that is way easier said than done when their are area where there are tens of thousands of people in a few square miles or millions in 30 square miles. We are now having discussions in NY as well as other places on allowing people to become infected so that they in turn can help scientist find a solution to this crisis. Stay at Home is expiring to a point, but everything we have been doing, social distancing, cleaning and wiping surfaces all that has to continue or we will be back to square one. The thing I find funny is where I am working it is at its very worst and people are saying all around us that we are coming out if it. We are not where I am, its more scary now than just a week ago. i am out of my home now and living in an RV. My wife and I visit at a distance, social time is no more. I am now, other than going to work am a hermit!! I will know a lot more after thursday as all my test result should be in by than and hopefully can donate my plasma thursday afternoon but I need a second negative test before I can do that.. Please don't get complacent and continue to be careful! Shawn ..
Cherny - the Kavanaugh thing smacked of Pelosi all the way through.
The woman who accused him, who my wife has worked with and likes, didn't want to get into it. She was smart enough to know it comes down to "he said, she said" for something when they were kids. Once things started going bad, Pelosi and others left her dangling.
It was similar to the impeachment crap. Rather there were grounds or not, it was obvious from the start it couldn't go anywhere because they couldn't get the votes to clear both houses. Still, pushed ahead, though, and wasted a lot of time that could have, should have, been spent getting ready for Covid. Those in the House and Senate can't say a word about Trump not being prepared. They did nothing to get us ready, either.
A friend's daughter is an RN who's been working with Covid patients. She got the virus several weeks ago. Had some rough times but nothing super serious. All symptoms went away for several days. Then yesterday her heart rate started to spike as high as 150 bpm. She's very young, in fantastic condition and no previous conditions to worry about.
I hope she will be fine. I don't know anything more than I have read from multiple sources, but this virus MAY cause permanent or long term damage to some organs.
Sun, I work in ER. Completely different than Shawn. Not sure what he does, but I think he's maintenance in a nursing home. Nursing homes are a tinderbox for this virus. Once it gets in, there's little hope for the residents due to their age and likely comorbidities. One of our fellow Bowsiters from KS is working diligently to keep his residents safe in the nursing home he owns in Topeka. Our numbers at the main campus have gone up, but most providers in all of our hospitals have only seen a handful of patients. I probably see 80-100 patients per 1 covid patient. My cousin is a doctorates nurse practitioner in an Iowa ER. She is seeing similar numbers and is all for re-opening the economy. This acquaintance is a former co-worker from ten years ago. She is currently practicing as an urgent care/ER APRN in Oklahoma. Here is what she had to say:
Habitat- surprised you didn't call the special ortho guy to confirm what you read. It does cause permanent organ damage. Like I told you before, the late stages of Covid cause a similar condition that sepsis produces: DIC or Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation. Basically the organs are shutting down and a clotting cascade occurs. Only God can save at this point because under normal circumstances, DIC is very difficult to turn around. My bet is many of these survivors have permanent kidney and lung damage that will be noticeable on their workups in the next 20 years. They are showing now young people are having ischemic strokes in the late stages of Covid from the DIC and also early stages when they are relatively stable. They have yet to determine what is causing the stable patients to stroke.
Comparing death tolls, the 2009 swine flu claimed the lives of 12,469 Americans. As of March 21, there were 275 deaths due to the coronavirus in the U.S. The swine flu was declared no longer a pandemic in 2010, meaning the above numbers for the disease are final. However, the coronavirus is still expected to grow. I don't remember people going into a panic during the Swine Flu pandemic. What is the difference now? "mass hysteria and the media".
We are nearing or have reached 100,000 fatalities already in the U.S. Even if half of those are statistical "abnormalities", this is much worse than the swine flu. If we count fatalities until the pandemic is declared over, a safe bet is the number will be much higher. Certainly the press loves to sell stories with dire consequences, but this is more than a media fueled frenzy. I hope the nation proceeds using caution as we open back up, and agree that we need to open back up as the cost, especially the human toll, is extremely high.
