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Anxious to see your pictures!
Looks like a factory assembly line for producing CWD over by your place. All the science states what you are doing only helps the spread of CWD.
Habitat for Wildlife = Salt and Feeders
All the science says habitat work benefits multiple species.
Kyle, mineral is habitat work. The corn is there during fawning season, not hunting. Haven't your decoys brought in multiple deer in one hunt? That creates a risk as well.
Patrick, go to my Micro Habitat project on the BGF to see the entire undertaking. Deer are not the only animals that use minerals. The project has been a mecca for wildlife and is an excellent example of what we can do to improve habitat to benefit all wildlife. Much better results will occur for wildlife with similar efforts IMHO than a petition that will go no where.
Tom, if that is your real name, you show up out of where exactly? Timing seems suspect. You have shared zilch, and likely because you know from your Covid comments you will be challenged if you do more than just criticize others. Mainly your focus has been me, so I have assumed you have an agenda.
Comparing mineral licks and feeders for wildlife to viral transmissions in humans is a display of the emotional and ridiculous logic and ignorance our nation is being reduced to.
NOTE: No mineral or feeders around.
Habitat for Wildlife is more than salt and feeders, but I am sure your integrity won't let the facts get in the way of spreading insults.
In fact your ability to bend the truth to fit your own views reminds me of an individual I had an extended PM exchange with. Wonder if you two are connected, or even the same individual at this point?
If you go to the Micro Habitat Project on the BGF you will see I used feeders to keep pressure off of a .75 acre bean plot while it was first getting started. You might know that many people believe you cannot plant beans on anything less than 3 acres without protection or they will be destroyed by deer. I have used techniques that have proven those beliefs to be a fallacy and wanted to share it to encourage others that they can undertake small projects and it will make a difference. Habitat loss is a much bigger threat IMO than feeders are, and in the minds of numerous biologists I have worked with or read their published works.
I get your views on HUNTING over feeders, and AGREE. Using them as a TEMPORARY Part of a food source though is no different than that X number of acres of beans you are referring to. The density in my picture above, caught on camera nightly until the food source was completely gone, is as much risk, or nearly so, as corn broadcasted out.
Your approach is to try and guilt people into not using feeders, mine is to show how habitat projects can be successful even when the conventional wisdom they might read says otherwise. Based on PMs I continue to receive, my approach is having some success, enough so that I will continue to document it while folks like Tom toss grenades. I believe Kyle we are both passionate about wildlife. I will continue to undertake projects like I do until I physically cannot any longer. I see doing that longer than wanting to hunt. It is about conservation to me, actions are more important than just words IMHO. And I think these open civil debates facilitate our acquisition of knowledge. Please know when folks like you post, I do read it and reflect on my actions. Thanks!
I think I know the difference, but I believe you and I have a difference in understanding of conservation. The deer herd is near an all-time peak but there are growing concerns that urbanization, development, new farming practices etc. are causing a fragmentation of habitat that while maybe not threatening larger mobile animals like deer will cause other species to become genetically isolated and maybe to the point of threatening that species survival, at least in certain parts of their traditional home ranges. I have never undertaken habitat improvements solely for game animals. Look at the pictures above, the last two, more on them in the next post.
When Robin and I first built and moved into our property in 2002 and I installed NG and a food plot, my neighbors who believed in all of us having manicured properties tried to force the Board to have me remove it. But I am a stickler for reading the rules, and I signed a contract that included no such limitations, or I would not have built there.
Today, several neighbors regularly converse how cool it is to see deer, turkey, bluebirds etc., and even coyotes coming to our property. Two have allowed me to install NG on their land with forbs, one just recently placing a beehive in the middle of it. It was never just about my property, it was always about using the natural creek corridor we are adjacent to and getting others to install some stuff that reduces fragmentation.
Yep, I have no doubt what we are creating benefits for a multitude of species and I feel totally comfortable with my behavior. I would love to encourage you to do more of the same and less of the ant-baiting rhetoric;-)
I see similar results for others who did not take pre-habitat installation animal behavior into account. My own observations that "plant it and they will come" works better in the movies than real life. I have learned more about how to hunt from watching results of habitat undertakings than I ever learned hunting.
Patrick, 100 deer don't need to lick the same stalk, they just need to do what deer normally do like groom each other. And that is much easier to do when the density is that great. But you know this so don't make it easy for me to unravel your argument. Make it a challenge at least.
I am as consistent with Covid as I am with habitat management. Covid is a risk that must be managed, so is CWD. We don't shut down the economy completely after we realize the worst fears will probably not materialize, and we undertake habitat management projects that benefit a wide range of species. We also cannot expect deer or other wildlife to change their behaviors. Too often these discussions reveal what people are really only interested in, and that is shooting big bucks. Just not my thing. Growing up in the concrete jungle, I am still amazed with nature.
Watching the criticism of the extreme measures taken with Covid, I don't understand why folks don't have the same reaction with the extreme measure states like MO and WI have taken in areas where they have found CWD-herd eradication. Seems they end up killing all the deer so the deer won't die from CWD even though the prions causing CWD will remain in the ground for years. Illogical to me. End up with the results they were trying to prevent.
Back to those last two pictures. I used corn to keep pressure off the beans, then sowed rye grain and clovers (crimson and ladino) into the maturing beans. Look at the mecca there, volunteer beans, clover, ragweed (yes a deer food), other forbs etc. As the crimson clover started to flower here comes the bees.
We know there is at least one fawn hidden in that tall rye, and believe a turkey is nesting there as well. I have to really work at keeping Buddy our lab out of it.
Two bluebird boxes which between the available food from seeds and insects and grass material from the NG after burning to build nests with each year, both boxes have had double nests for 10 years running! Yes, I use some corn to keep enough there for everything, gosh darn it!
Most folks, including neighbors at first, cringe at the ragweed and other forbs until I show them evidence of browsing. Even Robin initially would rather have a manicured property, but I have convinced her we need to share the Earth we have been blest to have temporary custody of with as much wildlife the Good Lord blest mankind with for our use. Maybe I am wrong on some stuff, but my heart is in the right place.
And that corn I am paying for, deer are not using it now. Only the coons, squirrels and crows are. And I am OK with that.
I get defensive because you and others throw out accusations with next to zero knowledge about what I am doing before criticizing. Just so typical of our society today. A guy like Tom we never heard from but shows up just to criticize. Yet all we do is blame the politicians.
On a positive note, you will have a chunk of land if you want it bad enough. We have made sacrifices and until I finally purchased my land I always worked two jobs. Friends never understood why, but I had a goal. Best wishes and keep the fire burning!
I honestly don't see much difference between baiting and decoying. They are both attractants. I have used a decoy so I'm not going to bash the baiting guys. It's just never been my thing as the field edges and woods I hunt have plenty of corn, beans, and forage already. But like Frank, I have used baits around trail cameras. Based on deer behavior and our location (eastern KS), I don't see a significantly increased risk in spreading disease with a pile of corn.
Good lord HFW it was only 1 sentence now look at the giant propaganda campaign you launched into. You must be missing those little balls of mush you been indoctrinating all these years. Anyway no I am not LE(why did you take a stance against them as well? Makes sense your a "professor") nor have you and I ever exchanged pleasantries. Thank God sounds like you get a little weird after watching the HFW/Thorton show. Remember only 3% of the people registered post the 97% watch. The one common theme over the many years reading your posts is your quoted post below. Its as if you wrote that about yourself. Now get out of the house and spend more time with that really rich guy you were telling Thorton about it gives you more street Cred:^)
"In fact your ability to bend the truth to fit your own views reminds me of an individual I had an extended PM exchange with."
Cherney- I put the bait around trail cameras because I was tired of photos of the exit end of deer. It was just a way to get them to hang around a bit to get multiple photos. And when did I ever say it didn't work better than a field edge? I'm pretty sure I said it was an attractant.
Good day to the both of you. I hope you all the success this hunting season.
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Baiting may contribute some to spread and I think it’s likely negligible (stated clearly again). Read below. If CWD is your concern then why do you not have a petition that says no gutting of deer in the wild...carcasses too? Read below.
“If the environment serves as a reservoir of CWD infectivity, hot spots of concentrated prion infectivity could be formed at areas of communal activity where shedding occurs (Figure 3) (12). Animal mortality sites, where highly infectious CNS matter would enter the environment, could also be hot spots (21). In a study of deer carcass decomposition in Wisconsin, carcasses persisted for 18–101 days depending on the season, and were visited by deer (22). In addition, cervid carcasses are visited by numerous scavenger species, such as raccoons, opossums, coyotes, vultures, and crows, which could consume and transport CWD-infected tissue and increase CWD spread (21,22). Thus, there is the potential for CWD to spread from sites of animal deaths. Predators may also contribute to spread of the CWD agent and transmission (5), as could transport by surface water (23) or insect vectors. Natural migration and dispersion of cervids is also a likely mechanism of geographic spread of CWD (24).”
“Given that cervids habitually ingest considerable amounts of soil, soil has been hypothesized to play a key role in CWD transmission (Figure 3) (11,20; S.E. Saunders et al., unpub. data). Inhalation of dust-bound CWD prions may also represent a route of transmission. It is known that CWD prions can bind to a range of soils and soil minerals (25,26) and retain the ability to replicate (27). In addition, rodent prions retain or gain infectivity when bound to soil and soil minerals (20,27; S.E. Saunders et al., unpub. data). Prion fate and transmission in soil has been recently reviewed (20). Although the potential for CWD transmission by soil and soil reservoirs is considerable, this transmission remains to be directly evaluated with cervids.“
Habitat, I agree again.
NCK, the mush brains are right here, including yours. Habitat said the same thing I did, but you did not take a shot at him. Obviously you have an agenda which includes a problem with me. I am not concerned, you are just a garden variety agitator. Now go read some credible sources, not your opinion pieces, and learn something.
What are you basing the 50K number on? I don’t follow. See how that works...turn about is fair play.
Kyle, just wondering if you use a release? I know others have criticized your use of decoys. These arguments are worthless. If it is legal, so be it. Let's try and inform each other with facts and learn.
I use cameras at mostly habitat projects as my 4 acre plot above shows. I use them on minerals right now as having both Robin and I contract Lyme disease in the recent past, I like to minimize my forays into the thick stuff. I keep the mineral areas mowed. We also like to use less chemicals on our clothes and bodies to keep ticks away. Robin lost her mom and baby sister to cancer and is convinced chemicals are the cause of many cell mutations. She kind of has me a little convinced. Monitoring herd health is a component of QDM. Remember, I asked about the growths on a recent picture. You don't have to agree with the approach, nor do I need your approval. I do try and respect everyone enough to explain why I do what I do and let others decide for themselves.
Doesn't it get old with the "my way is the right way" all the time?
Ryan I’m against it mainly for the reasons I stated several times already. CWD is one of the reasons. The main reason for me is that without it we wouldn’t have so many outfitters and we wouldn’t have such a hard time finding good places to hunt. Most of the land in the county I grew up in is leased. Without bait I don’t believe that would be the case. Maybe it’s only my opinion and there is no way to prove it with “facts”. You can’t study what the state would look like without bait when bait is legal. Not sure what you want me to do other than shut up and wait for our quality to drop to a level that outfitters no longer think it’s worth coming here?
Now, please start telling the truth, which is difficult for you I know. The PMs started with you threatening me because I disagreed with one of your posts. And then you continue to whine like a baby when you received as good as you gave, well, actually better than you gave.
What really are you doing here any way? You are a gun hunter for the most part right, I mean except when launching projectiles from your bow through brush.
But heck, at least you weren't using a release as someone above mentioned eliminating them. LOL!
Such an American Hero.......there is no doubt you love yourself above and beyond:^)
"Kyle, just wondering if you use a release? I know others have criticized your use of decoys."
Remember HFW 97% of people don't post and I guarantee you 96% of them read your propaganda and see right though it. Your method is to bring up nonsensical information to distract from your blatant disregard for wildlife. What Kyle does has NOTHING to do with CWD and you know it. But like a true propagandist you spin the story to fit your narrative. At the end of the day you are the pig that brings deer to one location time and time again spreading the disease. All the science says so.... you would think a "professor" would understand....:^)
It just seems a little petty to have this thread hijacked over baiting. OPINION only.
That does not fit your agenda of everyone having to agree with you about your view on baiting so you make inaccurate statements such as we both like baiting. My way is to be as accurate as possible when translating another's views/comments. Such as it is not my way only, you can disagree with me as much as you want. I encourage debate, not stifle it. But, only facts will move my position. That is also what Ryan is saying. No less than 7 biologists have toured my habitat work, and all so far have supported it including the licks and limited use of feeders. What I have read, extensively I will add, has also convinced me my approach has many more benefits than risks. So have my actual observations with regards to habitat work since 1994 or so. You want to change my mind, do it with facts not emotions or with attacks.
Pros- 1. Makes hunting and seeing wildlife easier Cons- 1. Widely accepted to increase the spread of diseases including CWD 2. Lactic Acidosis 3. Bovine Tuberculosis 4. Surveys show the general public doesn't consider baiting fair chase 5. Costs time and money that could be spent learning how to hunt without it
The opinions of people surveyed count but a wildlife biologist's opinion doesn't. You just can't make this stuff up.
This is what fake Tom posted;
Habitat for Wildlife = Salt and Feeders
I didn't start arguing. I posted information to show fake Tom posts factually inaccurate information. That is his integrity. I don't even use salt, but minerals that are specific for wildlife benefits, but does include salt as an attractant. Do minerals help herd health and logically by extension will healthier deer be better equipped to deal with diseases, wounds etc.?
Yes, criticize me for having the heart of a teacher. As noted above there are many who read but do not post. As a teacher I hate to leave misinformation published without being challenged so as to not have anyone believe something to be true that isn't. Some see that as a fault, I do not.
I set the record straight, and gave the proof you demand that my work is mainly something other than fake Tom alleges. Good money says his integrity lacks the capacity to admit his accusation was off target. While you admitted on this thread a positive comment about my habitat work, you never challenged fake Tom but do Ryan. At least to me that says something, including people too often possess herd mentality and will run with what is popular lest criticism be aimed their way. I have never been so weak as to do that.
My gosh, what are we teaching today??? LOL!
Pros- 1. Makes hunting and seeing wildlife easier
Cons- 1. Widely accepted to increase the spread of diseases including CWD 2. Lactic Acidosis 3. Bovine Tuberculosis 4. Surveys show the general public doesn't consider baiting fair chase 5. Costs time and money that could be spent learning how to hunt without it
OK, let me respond to both of your last posts simultaneously if that is OK?
Basic reading comprehension would answer what pros and cons I believe are accurate. As you know in previous exchanges I am against baiting for someone like myself who has places to hunt. I am not against it in all cases such as the young person from a non-hunting family, pre-driver's license age, no transportation etc. I take this view as the real threats to the herd, public image etc. must be balanced with recruiting future hunters if conservation is to have a chance to exist in the future. This is just my opinion, no facts to support it other than having known the exact situation I described and I was willing to look the other way.
I have also previously asked if no disease is present, how does a lick, pile or broadcasted bait spread the disease? This was also not a rhetorical question. Do some entities want to stop baiting because it will help them sell more of their products, like seeds for example? I think this might be a possibility. Like some others I believe normal deer behavior can and may even spread diseases more quickly or efficiently than baiting does.
Not all deer contract CWD in areas it has been found. Why not? Logic dictates there must be a reason so I do not agree with eradicating all animals to stop the spread. Natural selection, let the weak die and the strong continue to breed. CWD it is now accepted has been around a long time, and our herds have grown. So, in terms of preventing disease spread, I believe this is a weak argument.
Not everyone is concerned about hunting, some just want food on the table and the easiest way to do that is put our bait in their mind. I don't call it hunting, it is grocery shopping done with a little more personal involvement. I am OK with this as well.
Your best argument IMHO is public image. And anyone who knows me knows how much Robin and I both put into conservation and know I do not hunt over bait. Patrick, Sito and others can vouch for my preferred method of hanging a stand on every single hunt. I believe deer pattern us long before we do them. I am religious about how I hunt a specific property throughout the season, and people who do not comply with the rules do not get invited back. Yep, I would like to convince everyone to undertake habitat work if they can, but realize not everyone is in a position to do so. So I try and accept that and have as good as an influence as possible, note what I posted above about changing some of my neighbors' attitudes.
I use a compound, a release, fiber optic 3 pin sites, a range finder, camo, tree stands/blinds etc. How many people are opposed to those items. I just don't jump on a bandwagon to have government change much lest people get the government to change something I don't want them to. And people who are going bait will do it anyway, even if it is illegal. It happens in MO every season.
Is that enough "additions"?
Just wondering, should we outlaw bird feeders as well? Why or why not?
Thanks.
Frank you posted over 300 times on the main forum denouncing baiting right, I mean that was the same you right? Ryan is obviously educated and more obviously confused.
Question: Why did either of you pick up a bow in the first place?
With such a vivid imagination you need to write children's books. Does your last three seasons include that turkey you shot with gun versus mine with bow? Oh, that's right, I used a blind so how you did it was much more difficult. LOL.
Yes Sito, in the situation you are referring to, a person of means owning private property surrounded by public using bait to draw a public resource into his private property while baiting on public is not allowed, I adamantly disagree with. Just as I disagree with myself baiting on properties I have access to. And that person admitted having access to thousands of acres. You bet, he is obligated to go find the deer.
I just don't get why it has to be an all or nothing with you. There are cases where baiting is more beneficial to our goal of continued conservation than counter to it IMHO, such as allowing for a new recruit which we can work with over time.
Personally Kyle I started bow hunting to have more time in the woods. I thoroughly enjoy sitting in a tree in October at peak leaf color change. I have very limited rifle experience with deer, and yes it was too easy. But it was not the increased difficulty that brought me to archery, it was the extended seasons and OTC tags.
I regret having ever mounted an animal. You want the truth, I think trophy hunting is killing our activity as much as anything else. I know people who do not hunt that are turned off by those who are hunting for bone. I like your season laid out for us, but I know there are some turned off by it. Do you care what they think?
I don't have any answers for anyone other than myself. I do what I think is best for the resource and try to be generous and give back. There are hunters out there doing things I disagree with, but there are some reading this thread who make their own bows, arrows, strings etc. who are totally turned off with the way I hunt during archery season. They would tell you the original intent was to make it more difficult and now technology has changed that and will probably cause seasons or limits to be changed because "archery" is just not that difficult any longer. And I can't disagree with them. What is your response? Most justify everything they believe in and readily find fault in others for what they disagree with. Myself included. Are we not getting tired of this as a nation?
Catscratch, those are awesome pictures and really cool how you took them. I am terrible with picture taking. Thanks for sharing.
So you think public image is negatively impacted by baiting, but first time hunters will think "wow that was awesome. The buck came in for lunch and we killed the sucker. I feel so accomplished! Let's go again."
As far as disease spread the studies and research are all out there. Use your professor skills and check them out for yourself. I'm sure that your stance will change if you open your mind and read a little.
Camo, releases, and sights don't convince deer to come to the same place regularly. Good try tho. Weak argument, but valiant effort.
For those who are hungry and just out to fill the freezer, I imagine most are rifle hunters. For those that bowhunt, I guarantee you they can kill a deer without bait if they stick with it.
I haven't read much about bird feeders, Frank. Do they spread diseases? Hopefully you don't shoot the birds that come to your bird feeders...
Where did I ever say that or imply it?
I think a first time hunter will have mostly a reaction of awe and a desire to learn and get better. That was my reaction with my first deer anyway. There was no high fiving or shouting, but this was back when dinosaurs still roamed the Earth. Honestly Patrick, I have a difficult time conversing with you when you go off the deep end implying things I never said.
I have checked out the articles, and just like with Covid there are disagreements. That is why I asked the question why some deer in CWD areas do not contract CWD. There is not a definitive answer other than they probably were not exposed to it. Which again, logic would tell me some deer will survive no matter what we do, most likely. I accept you and others disagree, but you insisted on my response. I provided it, don't get upset with me because we don't agree. I accept that you disagree with me AND leave open the possibility I may be wrong. It will not be the first time.
The point about technology was not about getting deer to come to a particular spot like baiting or decoys (you opened that door), but rather people will find disagreement on how archery hunting should be. You know that though, again, you are bright, just obtuse.
Maybe read up on bird feeders, there are those that believe they can cause disease spread, cause birds to become lazy and starve even if the little old lady passes who used to fill the feeder, or even cats and other birds of prey learn where easy meals can be located. You don't see this on a bag of bird feed though.
And that first buck you took an ill-advised shot at was much smaller than what I harvested this season. Good thing you got a do-over, I didn't need one, made the shot, he died in sight.
You take shots at me all day and don’t even remember what you write. Have a good night. I hope it’s spent reading about being less attacking and all-knowing. For a guy who likes to debate you sure get upset easily. Called me obtuse multiple times. Said I can’t read. All over a stance you kind of disagree with. Tomorrow will be a better day for you, I hope.
Every day I am alive is a good one, I hope you feel the same. If you actually believe the quote of mine you posted implies a new hunter will react in the manner you stated, we will have to quit debating. I am not upset, just bewildered that you continually blow out of proportion what someone says, such as Ryan likes baiting. Please think about it and going forward quote people accurately. Do not take liberties interpreting what you think they said.
Good night.
You asked me to read, I will ask the same. I have read that new hunters will get quickly bored if they do not see game and are less likely to try again. I have read that it takes several times taking a person out before it has a chance of sticking. Hope that might shed some light on your question?
Just as HE teaches the stages of a hunter, I have no problem starting them with bait and after some success help them understand they were not really hunting and now we have to move in a direction that is required for full respect of the quarry and full consideration of others. Again, maybe I am wrong.
Don't make the same big mistake I did. I lived too conservatively and waited too long to purchase land. Get your own piece and you can forget about what is going on elsewhere. Best wishes!
"And that first buck you took an ill-advised shot at was much smaller than what I harvested this season."
His rack was long ago chewed up by Buddy, and Buddy has progressed through several others. Even game some away to neighbors for chew toys. Every mount I have is for sale at any time and I will literally plow the money back into habitat on our land.
So, let's see you post more than criticisms of others. You won't because you know that will open you up to criticism, which being the coward you are you remain in your safe place with anonymity.
Question: Why did either of you pick up a bow in the first place?“
Sensitivity and camo. You must be great with the ladies.
Why did I pick up a bow? Good grief.
I didn't say trophy hunting is wrong, I said it is what is killing our passion, via demand for outfitters, leasing, locked up ground etc. But non-trophy hunting is no better or no worse. The back straps off of fawns are awesome, much more tender and better tasting than an old rut worn buck IMHO. I guess that will probably start another debate, but not intentionally. I don't care what others do if it is legal and ethical. But would I like us all to work at protecting the long term health of the resource? Most definitely, and how we do that we can and should disagree on IMHO. Public support for our activity is a must, and I have read surveys where the public thinks trophy hunting is not right, not much different than baiting.
Speaking of baiting again, why does MO allow it except for hunting season if it is a health nightmare? Maybe because the best argument against baiting is that it does not equate to fair chase, and I agree. Good thing I wasn't chasing whitetails then when I used corn, eh?
This is a PM I received before this debate. Not uncommon for me to receive them, and I send similar ones often to guys posting habitat stuff that I have "stolen" ideas from. Which happens quite a bit. I know guys who won't post because of this kind of crap.
How many others read habitat posts and glean ideas and then get started? I bet many, and that is good for conservation. Much better IMHO than complaining about some wannabe hunters sitting over bait.
I never saw this person's handle before the PM.
That is why I post, it has nothing to due with self indulgence. Getting hundreds or even thousands of folks to landscape native or implement micro habitat projects I believe can make a huge difference in both actual results of improved conservation and public image. If insults from folks I don't know is part of the price I have to pay, gladly will I.
"How many others read habitat posts and glean ideas and then get started? I bet many, and that is good for conservation. Much better IMHO than complaining about some wannabe hunters sitting over bait."
Since you don't agree with someone else's idea about how to protect the long term health of the resource it becomes "complaining" and "this kind of crap". Such a pleasant guy to discuss things with lately.
"My" ideas are someone else's as well. A lot of other folks agree with me, including some right here. I don't know how many ways to say it, you can have your ideas, I can have mine and we can get along. I don't see guys like Tom criticizing anyone else, and I only see me pointing that out.
I am not critical of anyone disagreeing with me. I am critical of attacks that are unwarranted. I have laid out my views with the logic behind them.
Sorry if I seem unpleasant. I see our country, one I love, burning down and it is because of exactly what we see here. Someone doesn't like your style or agree with you, we attack the individual via their profession or other avenue, instead of sticking to the merits of each view. And I am just as guilty, so even a little ticked off with myself I guess. But the anti-baiting rants that went on here for a long time turned a ton of people away including myself. Just don't want that to start up again.
You don't agree with how I protected the beans. You were right to offer an idea. I responded why I could not take that approach, and even if I could would not spend the money to do so because I feel that money can be put into better conservation practices. No problem with discussions like that, I thought it ended well?
You keep saying I am hiding. I live in NCK and my name is Tom Williams. So now what?
Please inform me where you think I am inconsistent?
I don't think using corn in applications like what I did threatens the herd's health any more than other normal deer behavior, nor is that behavior at risk of offending the public as I was not hunting over it.
Yes, I allow for baiting in some specific cases already having explained my reasons for doing so.
I don't see any inconsistencies, and don't mind you disagreeing.
Here is another example of what I see as an unpleasantry;
Ryan is obviously educated and more obviously confused.
Ryan is "confused" because he doesn't agree with the all-knowing Kyle. Here is the inconsistency I see, you let insults like that receive a free pass but point out every not perfectly nice words I use. Hmmm!
What now is I can conclude what I first thought, you are an egotistical jerk who knows a lot less than you pretend. A credible professional is not going to diagnose narcissism, or other mental afflictions, over the internet. But keep posting, give me more, like your profession. Level the playing field so I can sling insults right back at you.
You didn't pop up out of nowhere and start sending insults just my way unless there is more to this, and we both know there is.
Hypocrisy to me as an example would be insulting the manhood of other hunters because they use a crossbow or bait stating their position is such because real archery hunting is supposed to be challenging and up close, but they use a high let-off compound with all the bells and whistles. We are supposed to accept being insulted and allow this person to decide when an approach is difficult enough to be called bowhunting.
No Tom, it is not narcissism, just what is called good ego strength and confidence. I know and admit all of my limitations, including being long winded, I just recognize everyone puts their pants on the same way that has ever lived, with the exception of One. In fact, I have actual results to prove what I just stated.
Tom, you are a liar. I can care less about rack size any more. I just told Thornton the truth about size. Simple as that, and he like you has a problem with the truth. See comment from someone else about his guesses on rack size.
Get over yourself. I post big bucks and swarms of does trying to get others excited about habitat. You can't accept that because you simply are a dirt bag with nothing to offer positive. That is a reflection on you, not anyone else.
Corn that is, yellow gold, Texas feed.
Well the first thing you know the ol States a millionaire, The NR's said "baiters move away from there" Said "Californy is the place you ought to be" So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly...
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Great buck for this time of year. If he puts some length on those tines he be a monster!
