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Covid 19 - The end

With the new 1.9 Trillion "covid relief" bill now passed for a total of 5 trillion(5,000,000,000,000) put toward the Covid Flu I have to think its all over now. I think that is enough money to help us get passed this and move on to greener pastures. I feel better already. Guess I will get vaccinated and wear a mask for another couple of years you can never be too safe. Schools should be closed for another year until we learn more about this virus. Writer you got any more stories to tell? Would like to hear them if your up to it:^)

Stay Safe all!

Stupid stupid stupid, our govt’s capacity for ridiculous spending is completely unsurpassed, both parties are to blame. Does Covid affect pigs? There’s enough pork in these bills to feed the world bacon for years to come.

Nine percent going to covid the rest is just liberal pork.

Ya know, the sad part of it is, you/we can't do a thing about it. They make the rules they distribute the money they print, and distribute it wherever they want. Why do we even pay income tax? Seems they can just print as much as they want. Am I missing something here on the economics side of it all? Would not paying federal income taxes make NO difference, they just print what they want anyway. Seems to me that they are doing everything that they can to prevent a recession. Free money! If this is so good then why was this free money not done in the dirty thirties depression. None of this makes ANY sense to me. Only thing I can make of it, is an all out effort to become a socialist economically run country. We already buy all our goods from a socialist economy run country. I don't get it, if this country made all the goods here in this country that we purchase from China, ( and it's on every shelf in every store) wouldn't that put us back to Capitalism economic society with a much smaller mix of socialism. Capitalism is done, as this country's main economy, so it seems to me. What is the motive to be an entrepreneur society when ya just have to give it all to "Big Daddy" ( TAXES) Creates a lack of enthusiasm, for reward, and we are already seeing plenty of that in this country.

Chief - American workers won’t take nearly the pay cut it would take to compete with China and other nations. Our consumers will continue to want the lowest prices possible...we all know that, of course. Will miss Trumps trying to bring jobs home and scaring the heck out of China.

These “Covid relief” bills have shown us just how crooked things work with spending in Washington. Again, not news it happens, but disgusting to the extent.

Just buying future votes to keep getting reelected.

Why would American workers take a pay cut to compete with China?

"There are major inequities within China’s cities as well. In 2019, there were 290.8 million rural migrant workers in China, accounting for about 37.5 percent of the country’s total workforce. Roughly 46 percent of them were employed in manufacturing and construction jobs, which are labor-intensive and carry higher risks of injury.

Many migrant workers are considered to be in “vulnerable employment,” which is characterized by “inadequate earnings, low productivity and difficult conditions of work.” About 43.8 percent of China’s working population was considered to be in vulnerable employment in 2018."

In order to compete half of the U.S. population would have to be thrust into extreme poverty and work in construction/manufacturing. I don't think that's what anyone wants. A better solution might be if everyone played by the same rules. We're talking about $15 minimum wage. They study poverty based on $5.50 earnings per Day!

Mike, I believe in fair trade. I believe that a economy that makes it's own goods for sale, use, and for trade, will flourish. How we became a world leader in economic, military, and altruism, was not by buying foreign made crap. Continue as we are, and we are doomed to socialism, then we will see if our work force will take a pay cut, not only will they take it, they will be forced to. Now where is my fat government check? I need it to go support China and buy some of their junk. I would be interested in what a economics "expert" would say about our current path of life, liberty, and the pursuit.

We have freedom to spend our money where we choose. Like Mike said Americans love to buy at the lowest price. If we spend more to buy American made goods more often it would certainly help our economy. How do you get people to do that when so many are living paycheck to paycheck?

It’s Trumps fault, don’t know why, but it can’t be mine!

Biden’s fault, too. Goodness knows we can’t be expected to act responsible and create our own good future.

Geez. Dale with that $150k you were making with KHP, plus cush annual raises...

It's not freedom of choice, if it is forced on us to buy their cheap crap, because we have no factories here to put people to work to make our own stuff, and a decent "earned" wage.

I slept during economics class.

Plenty of stuff still made in the good ole USA. Just have to be intentional about buying it because most options aren't.

Highway patrol makes 150k?

OK lifted mask mandate today, never thought I'd like it here so much!

Sarcasm, Jason...sorry.

Not near that, especially back when Chief worked patrolled our highways with a Model T. :-)

"OK lifted mask mandate today, never thought I'd like it here so much!"

That's so irresponsible and dangerous! We have not learned enough about this flu yet. I myself am wearing 2 masks now and have been vaccinated 4 times. If you double the mask you gotta double the vaccine! I predict another huge infection wave because of states like OK dam rednecks! On the other hand the $1,400 checks might fight off the virus?

Tom,

Do you think the masks, social distancing, better hygiene etc. saved any lives, or just not a fair balance to the overall cost to society not only in economic damage but also increased deaths due to these COVID steps, directly or indirectly, as well as other factors like deterioration in education and emotional/mental health?

Thanks.

Why do you care what Tom thinks, Frank? He seems like a 14 year old Russian troll.

Driving thru both OK & TX today thru the weekend. Nice driving thru states where freedom still matters!

It's nice reading these threads to be reminded of how wonderful it is to be in a rural part of our nation. Our restaurants and schools have been open since last late summer/fall, and very few, if any businesses/jobs were lost locally. We have even been able to watch our girls play sports since last fall; I wish we could have watched high school basketball, but oh well. There were a few local deaths (one was actually vaccine related) which is tragic; but I haven't heard any of those families complaining about how the virus was handled locally.

I've went to a megachurch in Wichita a few times over the winter and sat shoulder to shoulder in a room with 1500-3000 people and nobody is masked. I've yet to hear of , or treat an outbreak from this. I've also not seen a covid patient in several weeks. I precepted a WSU nursing student 3 weeks ago that works every weekend at Via Christi in the covid ICU. At that time, 3 weeks ago, she said they had 9 patients. I asked her a lot of questions about what she's seen. She said the 3 most common health problems she has seen in patients that don't do well with covid are: diabetes, overweight, and Hispanic. Not necessarily in that order or all three.

New York and New Jersey are on the travel quarintene list. Something to think about if your coming to turkey hunt from these states.

"Do you think the masks, social distancing, better hygiene etc. saved any lives"

Where there more deaths/infections in Florida compared to California per capita? Even if there had been 2 million deaths in the US I would say the same thing. You do not cut off your entire leg because you have a broken pinkie toe. In the not too distance future from now history will look back at this time as a turning point in America and it will not be a good turning point.

"Why do you care what Tom thinks, Frank? He seems like a 14 year old Russian troll."

I am so sorry I "triggered" your emotional harmony. I know how different viewpoints set you off. Its going to be Okay number 12. If you are going to earn your Jr. Detective badge you have got to keep your emotions in check. First I was "Sito", then a bot, now a Russian troll;^). I don't see your secrete decoder ring showing up in the mail anytime soon.

My guess is as the US was printing funny money and going deeper in debt about 2.5 trillion(2,500,000,000,000) of the 5 trillion went right in the coffers of Communist China via purchases of masks, medical equipment, and PPE. China has made it known they want to be the Worlds currency. When that day comes get on your knees and recognize the new world order. But for now send me "my" relief money!;^)

Jesus and your mother love you

Tom,

Thanks for the response.

A couple of things...

Comparing FL to CA, or for that matter, any two states or areas is not a scientific approach as it would be difficult to hold all variables constant between locations. In the long run, we will have more information that may, or may not, explain why the results appear similar with two opposing approaches. I know you are smart enough to recognize that.

More importantly, I remained puzzled by those that have outlined a similar position to yours. At exactly how many deaths, if not two million, would it have taken for the approaches we saw implemented to have made sense to you? 5 Million? 10? 50?

More puzzling to me is many of the same folks in agreement with you will quickly point out the sanctity of unborn lives that need to be protected. And I agree, yet some of those unborn would have no doubt faced challenges with obesity, diabetes etc. that would make them more susceptible to viruses. Why should they be protected any more than the living? And yes, while the living made some choices that make them more susceptible, others have genetic conditions they cannot control. Who decides? Politicians with agendas, the general public with biases and lacking complete information, medical experts who never consider economic consequences...? An imperfect world for sure!

Initially with little information, I believe our deciders made the best decisions possible given the concern with hospital overload potential. As time moved on and we could see the costs of continuing severe "prescriptions" were/are worse than the virus, adjustment could have been and should have been, IMO and non-medically trained mind, adjusted to allow for voluntary reopenings with decisions made on a local, not national or state level. Again, IMHO from the biased perspective that limits me seeing the entire picture.

I do not share your concern that this is a pivotal movement that embarks our country on a guaranteed path of decline and destruction. I believe I am somewhat older than you...and I have come to realize our FF created an awesome system that will over time correct our short term misguided decisions and put us back on the right path. I also believe that Divine Intervention was involved in this country's creation, and has remained steadfast throughout our history. While at times there are periods that evil seems dominate, I have Faith that Good will triumph.

For Good to be victorious, IMHO a great staring point is for all of us to be willing to accept none of us are without fault or have complete knowledge on any matter, and by extending kindness to each other, and those we disagree with even, we will continue to earn our Father's watching over us.

Thanks again.

An unbiased analysis of the entire event will eventually show that masks and forced closings did nothing to mitigate the problem, but did disastrously impact people and the economy. On average, the people who died with covid probably lost a year or so of their life. By the government's counting, half a million people have died with Covid in the US. That is about 1 out of every 660 people. However, in many different ways the rest of us have also lost much of a year of living. Long-term impacts on mental health and the economy that are yet to be determined. By that accounting, covid cost half a million life years and the response to covid cost 330 million life years. Which is more harmful? Many of us have been less impacted because we have been able to continue more of our life than people who never get out in nature or live in highly restrictive states and cities. The mental impact of the covid life is real and the long-term harm to children is one thing that will forever change our society.

Henry,

Unbiased! ? Sure, like concluding without any evidence that it was BLM infiltrators that stormed the Capitol? We have a responsibility with regards to truthful facts as both Christians and educators.

Just last evening Robin and I had over a couple friend, both retired, the wife holding a Master’s in microbiology. Her opinion is that we will see more of these viruses that jump species.

One positive your worst case scenario might have left out is the advancement in scientific knowledge we glean each time which helps us be better prepared and more effective going forward.

Henry,

Another question for you...

You have been highly critical of the education system in the past, I believe you have stated the indoctrination that takes place.

Now many kids are being schooled at home where there is more parental oversight now because of COVID. Does this offset the mental harm you claim will have a lasting impact?

Maybe your analysis is incomplete?

I really don’t think we will ever know the true negative impact Covid has created on mental health. My kids had the time of their life... at grandmas almost every day for 5 months. But my mom has a garden, chickens, a big yard, basketball goal, and my dad has cattle. We are a family of educators. My mom was an at-risk tutor for years and my kids had learning activities every single day. Something physical to do everyday.

Unfortunately, more than 80% of kids in my children’s school do NOT have access to such things. Most are town kids and have their own great routines that fit their lifestyles, but I would venture to guess, maybe optimistically, that 10% of parents don’t give a flip, and likely between 1-2% of those kids are abused either physically or mentally. Don’t get me started on nutrition. A lot of kids have been put in a horrible situation by NOT having a warm school to go to that feeds them regularly. No arms around their shoulders, no encouraging words. No contact with friends.

Public education and the perception of “what it’s supposed to be” is busted, in my opinion. Covid has exposed more cracks in public education and even more in our society.

*Edit* As far as adults, I know of suicides and businesses closing never to reopen. I have a hard time with the economic impact this has had on families. Dying from Covid is one thing. Taking away a mans livelihood, or something a family has worked their whole lives to put together because of “what-if”? There are worse things out there than dying.

I think all the parents are about to lose their mind and they're ready for the kids to go back to school. Pediatrics have always done well with the virus and never should have stayed at home to start with.

One arrow,

You may be right, but we are learning a lot and there are some surprises. Japan may have witnessed a reduction in their death rate due to a lower incidence of respiratory infections as a result of social distancing. If true, that will blow up the calculations by many whose sleuth capabilities may be impaired by politics.

I am still on the list in Pratt Co. They are only showing 660 people on the list. They have been averaging around 100/week. I am getting closer

Frank, I haven’t really followed Japan much, but I found 2 recent articles (last 24 hours) that indicate Japan is seeing a spike in COVID cases. I’m no doctor, definitely not a conspiracy nut, but I have increased my level of awareness of media B.S. in the last year and a half.

I have no clue where to get reliable information any more. I got so sick of reading stupid crap on FB, that I deactivated my account. Everything is about who can “google” more crap to tilt the scales in favor of their made up world of wokeness.

Interesting to see how media has played a negative role in major events throughout history. Sad to see how many people fall for it. Too much power over emotions.

I agree about reporting/. I was talking deaths so far, not cases. The new mutations are causing problems, look at Italy.

Depends on if you want news that makes you consider your beliefs, or news that only enforces what you already believe, Ray.

People that worshiped Rush Limbaugh are obviously the latter. We can all name a half-dozen or more liberal talking heads, of course.

Journalism changed more in five years than it had in 50 when things went digital. Whatever brings the most clicks wins as most advertisers pay per hit. Capitalism at its finest.

It’s also so simple for new “news sources” to get started.Again, the money and attention are by providing biased material...clicks, clicks...

Personally, I tend to believe Reuters and the BBC. (Sad I have to go to the Brits for US news, but...) NPR has always leaned a bit left, but hasn’t gone as overboard as CNN, ABC, MSNBC...

And, of course, there’s WSJ, but I carry a lot of bias in favor of them. They made me...

Interesting, so you are saying rather than not contracting the virus, there is a correlation between not dying from covid by social distancing?

Limbaugh was a staple in my home growing up. I even remember watching his TV show that was on for maybe a year?

My dad listened almost every day, but he was not a crazed follower. He just loved the way he put Liberals on their toes. Like it or not, Rush was right a lot. He was wrong a lot as well. His rhetoric drove me nuts. Never could put my finger on why he was so popular, but I tend to believe years of Liberal media and the liberal agenda being shoved down conservatives throats created the need for guys like Rush. Same goes for the die-hard supporters of Trump.

I agree about NPR. I use to listen a lot, but rarely do any more. My wife turns on Fox and I leave the room usually. I don’t even like watching local news any more.

In my personal life, I find myself wanting to dig a hole and hide. Lost many friends (a couple relatives) over politics in the last year... and their guys won??

Ray,

Sorry I wasn’t clear. Before the recent spike Japan had much lower rates of infection than the US or Europe. Much lower death rates as well. A number of reports attributed this possibly to the normal behavior of distancing in Japan, not being huggers etc.

Recent spikes SEEM to follow a slackening of some practices per an article I read in the WSJ. To me at least, comparing one location and what is happening with the virus as practices change seems more credible than comparing multiple locations with several variances. Hope that helps!

Regarding politics, this binary behavior of one way or the other is killing our unity and cohesion. I knowingly voted for a narcissistic a-hole only because I agreed with his policies a lot more than the other guy. I can accept that some voted for a policy disaster just because they couldn’t stomach trump. Sad that both candidates left much to be desired. I don’t see those that voted the opposite of me as my enemy.

If you are over 18 and want the COVID-19 Moderna vaccine now instead of waiting until who knows how long.....I know of a rural clinic in north-central Okla (15 minutes across state line) that has more vaccines than people to receive them. I talked to them on Friday (when making our vaccine reservations for next Thurs.) and they said to spread the word!

All you gotta do is call and make reservations and obviously 2 trips down there for your shots. Before you ask.....NO you don’t need to be a resident of the state or county.

If seriously interested, PM me and I’ll give you the # to the clinic.

Understand now Frank.

I have to ask... which narcissistic a-hole did you vote for? LOL!

Just kidding you don’t have to answer, that’s how I lost a lot of friends... refusing to see the character flaws in “your” candidate yet blasting the other guy all day long for nearly identical character flaws.

You either voted for policy or out of hate for the other guy in this election. The hate tipped the scales.

I just got a call from the pharmacy, 8:30 in the morning I get my first shot

Ray,

I voted for trump, and do not hate either person. It is about which policies I align closer with.

Meanwhile, on Planet Lawrence, the hospital mishandled abut 600 doses and had to trash them.

Wonder who is paying for the things?

Frank, I didn’t hate either candidate. Nor did I hate Obama... and I think he was the most underwhelming president since Carter. Was he a good man? I’m thinking he probably is, though his policies and beliefs did not align with mine.

I actually got to meet Obama once, exchanged a few words, shake his hand. Didn’t like his policies or pretty much anything about his stance, but believe me I respected the office he held and was honored to have been able to do what I did.

Honestly, I haven’t really “clicked” with most presidents in regards to policy until Trump. The man did what he said he was going to do... like it or not, that’s a rarity. His personality left a lot to be desired. Decades of liberal agenda combined with spineless “conservatives” led to his rise in popularity with people like me. I think Trump is probably a good man as well... seems to be a great father.

This election was different for a lot of people. Like I said, I’ve lost friends and relatives over it... their decision. Hate drove their emotions.

Ray,

Very respectable approach on your part, thanks. I agree what gave rise to Trump, I am angered he could not live up to the decorum of the office. If he had, I don’t think we would be going thru the nonsense we see today.

I was in close proximity to Carter when in the Corps and attending the Marine Corps Band and Silent Drill Team in DC. Felt similar to you with regards to Obama, did not like his policies but respected the man and the Office. His work with Habitat for Humanity is what gave me the idea of Habitat for Wildlife for my company and our farm.

Don’t give up on the family and friends, time heals. Best wishes Ray, thanks.

I had Covid in November. I got my first shot on Feb 17th. I just got my second shot this morning. I should be though with the Virus that China unleashed on the world.

Got my first shot this morning. Go back April 12th for the 2nd dose of Moderna

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