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Contributors to this thread:
keepemsharp 03-Apr-21
drbonner 03-Apr-21
One Arrow 03-Apr-21
One Arrow 03-Apr-21
One Arrow 03-Apr-21
One Arrow 03-Apr-21
crestedbutte 05-Apr-21
keepemsharp 14-Apr-21
TwoDogs@work 14-Apr-21
keepemsharp 14-Apr-21
keepemsharp 14-Apr-21
Thornton 14-Apr-21
writer 15-Apr-21
writer 15-Apr-21
writer 15-Apr-21
One Arrow 15-Apr-21
keepemsharp 15-Apr-21
Copperhead 15-Apr-21
Habitat 15-Apr-21
Catscratch 15-Apr-21
ksq232 15-Apr-21
TwoDogs@work 15-Apr-21
Ben 15-Apr-21
keepemsharp 15-Apr-21
One Arrow 15-Apr-21
One Arrow 15-Apr-21
Copperhead 16-Apr-21
Ben 20-Apr-21
ks chas 20-Apr-21
TwoDogs@work 20-Apr-21
keepemsharp 20-Apr-21
KB 20-Apr-21
One Arrow 23-Apr-21
KB 01-May-21
One Arrow 01-May-21
One Arrow 01-May-21
One Arrow 01-May-21
keepemsharp 02-May-21
One Arrow 04-Jun-21
One Arrow 04-Jun-21
TwoDogs@work 07-Jun-21
One Arrow 08-Jun-21
From: keepemsharp
03-Apr-21
First I have heard about this. ANY landowner in KS needs to keep track of this!

From: drbonner
03-Apr-21
What is it?

From: One Arrow
03-Apr-21

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From: One Arrow
03-Apr-21
I just did a google search and posted the first link I found on it. It’s probably a biased article, but it’s something I’ll be reading more about.

If true, it’s one step closer to becoming Europe, IMO. A lot of woodland is owned by the government.

I bet a lot of people that voted for that bafoon are going to miss the narcissist soon enough.

From: One Arrow
03-Apr-21

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Here’s a “Lefty” version to be fair and balanced. Trying to find something a little more reasonable... not finding it yet. Definitely want to watch this.

From: One Arrow
03-Apr-21

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Double Post

From: crestedbutte
05-Apr-21
I would bet the majority of land they intend to grab in each state will be the most barren, unproductive, cheapest land found in the state. Still don’t make it right!

From: keepemsharp
14-Apr-21
We attended a 30 by 30 meeting last night, some pretty scary stuff. This plan would lock together 49 counties in KS and NB involving millions of acres and 650,000 folks.

From: TwoDogs@work
14-Apr-21
I would assume that this land would come off the tax roles once it is owned by the Feds. This could result in a large tax increase for property owners in the counties affected. There are other "Non-profit" groups buying large parcels in an effort to return them to there old wild status. Again, these acres come tax roles shifting the burden to the remaining property owners. I believe one of these groups is wild America or something like it. The bottom line is liberals on the coasts see the middle US as an area that should be devoid of human presence as we know it today.

From: keepemsharp
14-Apr-21
I think it was Hayden some years ago that spoke of a huge "buffalo commons".

From: keepemsharp
14-Apr-21
They want the US govt. to control 30% of USA land by 2030. With CRP they are close to it, they chose to not recognize CRP . THIS IS A HUGE LAND TAKOVER BY GOVERNMENT. Talk to your representatives and make them aware. It does not end at PT co. in Kansas it will continue as long as Obiden is in charge.

From: Thornton
14-Apr-21
They taking the Flint Hills? One of my rancher friends that's let me hunt since high school mentioned something like this they tried to do a couple decades ago. Sounded like some sort of proposed massive conservation easement to protect the Flint Hills.

From: writer
15-Apr-21
Dave - not sure what you're stating?

CRP is nowhere near 30% of the U.S. and we're losing more and more of it daily in Kansas. At a time, it was the largest supplier of quality wildlife habitat, on private lands, in U.S. history. The loss of CRP has had a sizable impact on things like pheasant and mule deer populations over much of Kansas.

Buffalo Commons wasn't Hayden's idea, but he pointed out it had some merit since much that's farmed on the High Plains isn't really sustainable agriculture without government help. That will only become more so as we get climate shift.

Interesting how some conservation/hunting groups are supporting the concept.

Both of the links Ray listed are very biased, as he stated. I read one by Outdoor Life that's a bit more down the middle.

From: writer
15-Apr-21

From: writer
15-Apr-21

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From: One Arrow
15-Apr-21
Thanks for that link Mike.

There are multiple ways to tie up land without actually taking it from the land owner. Not a Biden fan, BUT if this is done correctly (dealing with the government rarely is), it could be a good thing.

From: keepemsharp
15-Apr-21
They were including CRP along with all federal holdings and federal park lands, any land the feds have any control of like ANWR.

From: Copperhead
15-Apr-21
Well I read them all and obviously the middle of the road approach sounds the best for everyone as it provides areas for compromise. The question is, will the differing sides be willing to compromise? Personally, I have my doubts.

From: Habitat
15-Apr-21
A good thing for who,not the landowners

From: Catscratch
15-Apr-21
I think Habitat hit on what I've been thinking; will this reduce production? will this be mandated or voluntary? will this fairly compensate landowners if mandated? will this make private lands open to the public against the landowner's wishes? can our country afford to do this (both the cost of food and increase taxes to fund)?

The articles I've read talk a lot about percentage this and percentage that for species saved and environmental benefits, but I have no clue where they got those numbers and no clue what the actual plan is. How can they advertise a projected benefit without knowing what they are going to implement? Maybe I've missed the plan they are implementing?

From: ksq232
15-Apr-21
Yeah Cat, government percentage projections are as about as accurate as disillusioned Royals fans’ thoughts on total wins this time of year. I’m proud to say I’m a deluded and often disappointed Royals fan! But as a landowner, married into a family of much bigger landowners, I don’t think I’m a fan of this 30 by 30 stuff....

From: TwoDogs@work
15-Apr-21
The people on the coasts think of us here in Mid America as a bunch of country dolts and the land as pretty much worthless. When I was a freshman at Emporia State in 1970 I was talking to a freshman girl from New Jersey. How she ended up in college in Emporia Kansas I have no idea. In talking to her she said that she took an airplane to Kansas City. She was then to take the Sunflower Express to Emporia. She thought the Sunflower Express would be a stagecoach not a bus. I know that was over 50 years ago but, that tells a lot about how people from the coast feel about Kansas and other area states.

From: Ben
15-Apr-21
Guys be careful how you decipher what is being said here. When they take this land it will be very easy to say no hunting on federal land and that will basically end hunting as we know it. Don't think for a minute this isn't what some to most of the left want. Maybe even stock all of it with wolves.

From: keepemsharp
15-Apr-21
The message from the guy from CO that defeated this in SE CO said the way to kill it is with your county commissioners, make them all aware of this effort to scam landowners.

From: One Arrow
15-Apr-21
Habitat, I said if done correctly.

I doubt it will be, but I’m going to wait a bit more before I break out the pitch fork. Too cluttered right now.

From: One Arrow
15-Apr-21
Twodogs that type of thinking is all over. When I was students teaching one of the teachers asked me why farmers always drive so slow on the highways. She got stuck behind one that morning and said traffic wouldn’t be backed up if they would just speed up a little.

You should have seen her face when I told her that most tractors had a top speed of 18-25 mph. No joke... and she grew up in a fairly small town in Kansas.

From: Copperhead
16-Apr-21
I'll give you an example of why I have my doubts that this will work.

Back in the 1970's in Jackson county Missouri, a friend of mines family owned a lot of river bottom land along the Missouri river. The county wanted to purchase this land and turn it into a bunch of recreational parks for the public to enjoy. They made their offer to the land owners and when the land owners refused they eventually took their land at a much lower price per acre than the original offer.

The county spent lots of taxpayer money on starting to turn this land into parks for the public. What they couldn't foresee is that they couldn't police the land and a lot of illegal acts, partying and trashing of the land occurred. So much so that they shut it all down and now nobody can use it and they aren't collecting any tax revenue on it because it is government owned.

Personally, I feel the county should have had to sell it back to the original landowners at the same price that they gave for it and removed any so called improvements that was constructed during their ownership.

From: Ben
20-Apr-21
To any of you that feel I was over reacting when I said this would be a way for the left to end hunting. Please read over on Bowsite about the proposed closing of 60-61 million acres of federal land in Alaska to hunting. They have been dividing hunters into different di categories such as "trophy hunters" , "subsistence Hunters" and so on to divide us. This is the same tactics of dividing us into races to get civil unrest. Divide us and they will conquer us. Don't let it happen. The announcement that Wyoming lands is next has already been thrown out there. There is 2 days for written input for Alaska and a few days later for phone calls, do your part even if you will never have plans to hunt Alaska. Be Heard !

From: ks chas
20-Apr-21
Well I no longer have trust in the gov , I don't put any of my land in gov programs because I don't want them to have any control over it, most of what I have is in the 30 30 area.

From: TwoDogs@work
20-Apr-21
Ben: I believe anyone that thinks the ones proposing this would be in support of hunting are badly mistaken. This could easily be a way to stop hunting on all these acres.

From: keepemsharp
20-Apr-21
Would be fun to see what happens when they come along and say they will put in a hike-bike trail along every stream?

From: KB
20-Apr-21
Where are you guys getting your info?

“Thus far, the lack of details released on this particular proposal have led to far more questions than answers,” - Nebraska Farm Bureau president April 6

The executive order stated a plan would be released in 90 days outlining how the administration intends to follow through on this. Nowhere in any of their literature does it mention anything about zeroing in on Kansas and Nebraska and stealing land from anyone. Why is that the consensus though? Because the Heritage Area proposal that was initiated a few years ago just happened to be in the headlines as 30x30 came to light?

Some of the ideas I’ve seen and heard from politicians as far as farm country is concerned include a large expansion in things like CRP and carbon sequestration/no-till payments to farmers. Again, nothing of any sort of “land theft” like the Sandhills Barbwire Journal fear mongering headlines would have you believe.

The far bigger realistic risk to anyone having property “stolen” lies in the proposed capital gains/stepped-up basis tax changes. That could affect family farm country in a much bigger way than the government expanding their habitat enhancement programs.

From: One Arrow
23-Apr-21
Agree KB. As a landowner, I’m not seeing the need to fear this... yet.

You are also correct on the Capital gains tax changes... that is going to be huge. Also eliminating the 1031 exchange, which has been proposed.

From: KB
01-May-21
Good convo on yesterday’s AgriTalk podcast with Secretary Vilsack. Covered 30x30, stepped-up basis, CRP, and more.

From: One Arrow
01-May-21
I read a pretty informative release yesterday from the county FSA office regarding CRP.

Fairly significant increase.

From: One Arrow
01-May-21

From: One Arrow
01-May-21
Here it is....

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced today that USDA will open enrollment in the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) with higher payment rates, new incentives, and a more targeted focus on the program’s role in climate change mitigation. Additionally, USDA is announcing investments in partnerships to increase climate-smart agriculture, including $330 million in 85 Regional Conservation Partnership Program (RCPP) projects and $25 million for On-Farm Conservation Innovation Trials. Secretary Vilsack made the announcement today at the White House National Climate Task Force meeting to demonstrate USDA’s commitment to putting American agriculture and forestry at the center of climate-smart solutions to address climate change.

The Biden-Harris Administration is working to leverage USDA conservation programs for climate mitigation, including continuing to invest in innovation partnership programs like RCPP and On-Farm Trials as well as strengthening programs like CRP to enhance their impacts.

Conservation Reserve Program

USDA’s goal is to enroll up to 4 million new acres in CRP by raising rental payment rates and expanding the number of incentivized environmental practices allowed under the program. CRP is one of the world’s largest voluntary conservation programs with a long track record of preserving topsoil, sequestering carbon, and reducing nitrogen runoff, as well providing healthy habitat for wildlife.

CRP is a powerful tool when it comes to climate mitigation, and acres currently enrolled in the program mitigate more than 12 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2e). If USDA reaches its goal of enrolling an additional 4 million acres into the program, it will mitigate an additional 3 million metric tons of CO2 equivalent and prevent 90 million pounds of nitrogen and 33 million tons of sediment from running into our waterways each year.

CRP’s long-term goal is to establish valuable land cover to help improve water quality, improve soil health and carbon sequestration, prevent soil erosion, and reduce loss of wildlife habitat. USDA’s Farm Service Agency (FSA) offers a number of signups, including the general signup and continuous signup, which are both open now, as well as a CRP Grasslands and pilot programs focused on soil health and clean water.

New Climate-Smart Practice Incentive

To target the program on climate change mitigation, FSA is introducing a new Climate-Smart Practice Incentive for CRP general and continuous signups that aims to increase carbon sequestration and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Climate-Smart CRP practices include establishment of trees and permanent grasses, development of wildlife habitat, and wetland restoration. The Climate-Smart Practice Incentive is annual, and the amount is based on the benefits of each practice type.

Higher Rental Rates and New Incentives

In 2021, CRP is capped at 25 million acres, and currently 20.8 million acres are enrolled. Furthermore, the cap will gradually increase to 27 million acres by 2023. To help increase producer interest and enrollment, FSA is:

Adjusting soil rental rates. This enables additional flexibility for rate adjustments, including a possible increase in rates where appropriate. Increasing payments for Practice Incentives from 20% to 50%. This incentive for continuous CRP practices is based on the cost of establishment and is in addition to cost share payments. Increasing payments for water quality practices. Rates are increasing from 10% to 20% for certain water quality benefiting practices available through the CRP continuous signup, such as grassed waterways, riparian buffers, and filter strips. Establishing a CRP Grassland minimum rental rate. This benefits more than 1,300 counties with rates currently below the minimum. Enhanced Natural Resource Benefits

To boost impacts for natural resources, FSA is:

Moving State Acres for Wildlife Enhancement (SAFE) practices to the CRP continuous signup. Unlike the general signup, producers can sign up year-round for the continuous signup and be eligible for additional incentives. Establishing National Grassland Priority Zones. This aims to increase enrollment of grasslands in migratory corridors and environmentally sensitive areas. Making Highly Erodible Land Initiative (HELI) practices available in both the general and continuous signups. Expanding Prairie Pothole Soil Health and Watershed Programs

CRP has two pilot programs ? the Soil Health and Income Protection Program (SHIPP) and the Clean Lakes, Estuaries and Rivers 30-year contracts (CLEAR30).

For SHIPP, which is a short-term option (3, 4, or 5-year contracts) for farmers to plant cover on less productive agricultural lands, FSA will hold a 2021 signup in the Prairie Pothole states. The CLEAR30 pilot, a long-term option through CRP, will be expanded from the Great Lakes and Chesapeake Bay pilot regions to nationwide. Increasing Technical Assistance Capacity and Impact Measurement USDA technical assistance through the Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) is critical to enable producers to plan and implement conservation practices that are appropriate for their needs. To ensure increased enrollment and support for producers, USDA is increasing NRCS technical assistance capacity for CRP by $140 million. Additionally, in order to better target the program toward climate outcomes, USDA will invest $10 million in the CRP Monitoring, Assessment and Evaluation (MAE) program to measure and monitor the soil carbon and climate resilience impacts of conservation practices over the life of new CRP contracts. This will enable the agency to further refine the program and practices to provide producers tools for increased climate resilience. To learn more about updates to CRP, download our “What’s New with CRP” fact sheet. Partnership Programs Contribute to Priorities

In addition to changes to CRP, Secretary Vilsack also announced significant investments for climate-smart policies. First, NRCS is investing $330 million in 85 locally driven, public-private partnerships under the Regional Conservation Partnership Program to address climate change and other natural resources challenges. NRCS will announce more details on the RCPP project selections on April 26.

Second, NRCS is investing $25 million in proposals for On-Farm Trials, which are part of the Conservation Innovation Grants program. NRCS is seeking proposals through June 21. Project priorities include climate-smart agricultural solutions and soil health practices.

Under the Biden-Harris Administration, USDA is engaged in a whole-of-government effort to combat the climate crisis and conserve and protect our nation’s lands, biodiversity, and natural resources including our soil, air and water. Through conservation practices and partnerships, USDA aims to enhance economic growth and create new streams of income for farmers, ranchers, producers and private foresters. Successfully meeting these challenges will require USDA and our agencies to pursue a coordinated approach alongside USDA stakeholders, including state, local, and tribal governments.

USDA touches the lives of all Americans each day in so many positive ways. In the Biden-Harris Administration, USDA is transforming America’s food system with a greater focus on more resilient local and regional food production, fairer markets for all producers, ensuring access to safe, healthy and nutritious food in all communities, building new markets and streams of income for farmers and producers using climate smart food and forestry practices, making historic investments in infrastructure and clean energy capabilities in rural America, and committing to equity across the Department by removing systemic barriers and building a workforce more representative of America. To learn more, visit www.usda.gov.

From: keepemsharp
02-May-21
Obiden is not a friend of landowners but is a real champion of government takeovers. Knows absolutely nothing about land ownership or husbandry.

From: One Arrow
04-Jun-21

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Well written recent article regarding this.... it’s a good idea to continue to monitor this. As I stated before, it could be a good thing for conservation if implemented correctly and is voluntary.

Definitely some huge missteps by the current administration in the initial roll-out.

From: One Arrow
04-Jun-21

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Well written recent article regarding this.... it’s a good idea to continue to monitor this. As I stated before, it could be a good thing for conservation if implemented correctly and is voluntary.

Definitely some huge missteps by the current administration in the initial roll-out.

From: TwoDogs@work
07-Jun-21
I hope this can be done correctly. If it could get additional acres "voluntarily" enrolled in CRP it should benefit wildlife greatly. It stated that it would work with farmers to implement "climate friendly technologies". That phrase throws up red flags to me. The most concerning thing to me is that the current administration is out of touch the agricultural community. With the current grain prices it is going to take significant payments to get landowners to enroll acres in CRP.

From: One Arrow
08-Jun-21
I’m not sure any administration has been in touch with agriculture... at least since I can remember.

You are right, several red flags that need to be watched closely.

I’d like to see more farmers consider environmental improvements rather than farming ditch to ditch and going over the fields with chemicals 4 or 5 times per crop.

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