Public comment open 10 yr plan wolfs
Wisconsin
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Use the online input tool to provide your comments between April 15 and May 15.
Done. Thanks for the heads up.
Done. Thanks for sharing link.
Perhaps slanted? I filled it out. Ultimately, I feel like wolves have/had a place on the landscape, but when man is realized as the apex predator, and the best manager for wildlife, and the wolf competes for that same prey, then one needs to go. That sounds familiar? You are competing with my sport, and are changing what I once knew. I'm so damn selfish! I know it. I actually think wolves are beautiful, especially being a dog lover, but the unfortunate truth is, there's no need for them, unless you want conflict. All said, we could stand to adjust a few things when it comes to helping control the deer herd both to increase and decrease where necessary. That would take restraint, micromanagement, and a team effort. However, that is probably something only the wolf is capable of, and something we are not.
Completed and thanks for the info provided.
Pete-pec, have you seen many wolves in the woods? Where I am many are as butt ugly as any cur dog you could find.
Wolves in Wisconsin.... with everything set aside, there must be Proper Management.
Jeff, I have seen plenty with mange, and plenty with full hair. One is a gorgeous animal for sure. The idea of a wolf coexisting with man is a damn pipe-dream that only David Attenborough himself could come up with. I'll say it again, we are here, and they are absolutely unnecessary, and that's what the human animal has done, since we climbed out of trees, or wherever we came from? We are the only animal that changes our environment to fit our needs, and since that is certainly fact, everything else is certainly second fiddle at best. I'm not being cynical. I'm being serious. Hell, we can't even coexist with ourselves for that matter!? Wolves will die off just like the mammoth, and just like we will one day. Until then, we will always blame everything but ourselves for the way things are. I'm not some tree hugging wolf lover. I'm just an honest man, who's come to the conclusion that we are always going to be what's most important in this world.
That damn 300 characters or less ticked me off, but got through it.
L2H, it pissed me off as well.
The public input is a joke. Who formulated these questions? It's not for just Wisconsin but anyone threw out the country can submit and you can take this questionnaire as many times as you wish. Antis worldwide will flood this and make it look like there is no need for a Wolf management tool in Wisconsin.
One point I added was that the Tribe quota should transfer to the general hunt if they do not fill by a cut off date.
Huntcell 's Link
this biologist scientist Dr. Valerius Geist writes a lot of interesting articles about wolves. Primarily why it is not practical to have wolfs on the non wilderness landscape in this day and age in close proximity with humans.
here is a synopsis of his findings. or Valerius Geist, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science at the University of Calgary in Alberta, explains, “I’m very much for the real wolf. That is what I’m trying to save. Hybridizing wolves with dogs and coyotes is a way to exterminate the real wolf by destroying its genetics. What is being done with wolves here and in Europe has nothing to do with nature conservation. What the U.S. and the E.U. are doing with legislation is a very expensive, brutal and mindless way to destroy real wolves.”
"Geist is of the opinion that wolves are most likely to fulfill their ecological function in unpopulated and very thinly populated areas of humans. His publications on wolves include as topics also the development of great shyness towards humans by hunting, hybridization with coyotes, where distribution areas of both species overlap, hybridization with domestic dogs in areas populated by humans, and diseases spread by wolves, for example the dog tapeworm, whose larval stages lead to Hydatid disease in herbivores and humans. By triggering panicky flight behavior in deer packs and causing them to migrate, wolves promote the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease.
In his lectures and writings he points out that wolves cause serious damage to wildlife and that they cause great suffering to wild ungulates such as white-tailed deer, wapiti, elk and bison by condemning them to a slow, agonizing death when they are torn apart and eaten alive.
The paradigm of the self-regulation of nature is, according to his findings, a simple-minded intellectual error. The mechanisms of negative feedback assumed in this concept would not work like this in nature, but self reinforcing effects would lead to a decline in biodiversity. With active wildlife management and care, humans can achieve a much greater biodiversity and productivity of ecosystems. Humans can save the game the brutality of getting torn by wolves. Hunters practicing ethical hunting would treat game far more humanely than "nature" does.
Regarding the behavior of wolves towards human beings he describes seven steps from strong shyness and avoiding the nearness of the human, then searching anthropogenic food sources and habituation, then possible explorative attacks, in which they only approach, up to predatory attacks on people, that usually take place only under the precondition that the seven steps described by him are passed through.
Writings by Dr. Valerius Geist
http://www.vargfakta.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Geist-when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans-pt-1.pdf
"Gray wolves and the black side of the 'Nature knows best' dogma, or how hands-on management is vital to high biodiversity, productivity and a humane treatment of wildlife". In: Beiträge zur Jagd- & Wildforschung, Band 44, 2019, page 65-71
Valerius Geist (2009): Wolves – When Ignorance Is Bliss
Valerius Geist (2007): Circumstances leading to wolf attacks on people
Valerius Geist; Will N. Graves: Wolves in Russia - Anxiety Through the Ages. Detselig Enterprises 2007. ISBN 978-1-55059-332-7
Valerius Geist: Wolves on Vancouver Island
doing a search with [ Valerius Geist and Wolves] in the search box will bring up ample more reading on the subject wolves in todays world.
I really love what Ted Nugent said at Deer Fest a few years ago when he was addressing the liberals from Madison --> "We like wolves; one of them".
I'll never forget Ted Nugent telling the Madison liberals, "We like wolves; one of them," at Deer Fest a few years ago.
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This is a feel good gesture, however there are no listeners.
Took my sons up to Marinette Cty last week to bow hunt. Out of 120 acres, 3 rubs and no scrapes. No deer seen or sign. Saturday night at dark, wolf howled 50 yrd from my truck. One responded right below my stand and another on the other side of my son(70 yrds) away. Went to get 12 yr old because he was freaking out as it was very close. When I got him down, it howled again right next to truck....about 50 yrds from us. F wolves. They should subsidize landowners for portions of their taxes as their wolves are destroying the landscape and the recreational lands
KILL BABY KILL!
I doubt they'll listen to my suggestion, however..