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Contributors to this thread:
Paul@thefort 21-Jul-22
Paul@thefort 31-Jul-22
Paul@thefort 01-Aug-22
Paul@thefort 03-Aug-22
Treeline 04-Aug-22
cnelk 04-Aug-22
Paul@thefort 05-Aug-22
cnelk 05-Aug-22
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Orion 05-Aug-22
Grasshopper 05-Aug-22
Paul@thefort 06-Aug-22
Jaquomo 06-Aug-22
Orion 06-Aug-22
Jaquomo 06-Aug-22
Paul@thefort 06-Aug-22
Paul@thefort 06-Aug-22
Grasshopper 06-Aug-22
From: Paul@thefort
21-Jul-22

From: Paul@thefort
31-Jul-22

From: Paul@thefort
01-Aug-22

From: Paul@thefort
03-Aug-22

From: Treeline
04-Aug-22
Paul,

After going to many, many of the sportsman’s meetings, commissioners meetings, and special CPw meetings over the years, I have come to the conclusion that it is a massive waste of time and energy… No amount of logic nor common sense will penetrate the idealism of those in power with CPw…

From: cnelk
04-Aug-22
^^^ I agree with Tavis. Until I see some movement to increase resident opportunity, don’t waste my time

From: Paul@thefort
05-Aug-22

From: cnelk
05-Aug-22
History has shown that the CPW likes to use two words when it comes to changing anything.

Status Quo

05-Aug-22
Gee Brad! I thought that was the CBA's famous term , not the CPW!!!!!!!

From: Orion
05-Aug-22
The CPW doesn't need meeting to address the hunt codes that should be 80/20 that are still 65/35. They are 10 years behind on this. Maybe start there?

From: Grasshopper
05-Aug-22
Paul and Sol(saul), anyone notice that has a biblical ring to it?

Thanks for putting on a great meeting last night. The agenda was terrific, and so was turnout.

I did receive a response to my question. The way I read it, if residents retained OTC licenses in 2nd and 3rd rifle, and we limited nonresidents, then landowner preference would no kick in.

It seems really odd to me when during a process to potentially shift more licenses to residents, folks chime in to take all units limited for all hunters, and then give away 20% of the tags to landowners, leaving residents with a maximum of 49% of the public draw tags.

From: Paul@thefort
06-Aug-22
Steve, I would expect since the Colorado Legislature passed a bill to create the program, it will never go away regardless the change in license allocations or OTC licenses distribution. A newer program will just be developed.

"The Landowner Preference Program (LPP) was created to give landowners a preference for hunting licenses to encourage private landowners to provide habitat that increases wildlife populations for the benefit of all hunters, discourage the harboring of game animals on private lands during public hunting seasons, and relieve hunting pressure on public lands by increasing game hunting on private lands."

"With passage of Senate Bill 13-188, a new landowner preference system was created called the Landowner Preference Program. The LPP replaces all previous landowner preference systems. In order to apply for landowner preference, the deeded landowner must register the deeded land with Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) by December 1 to be eligible for the drawing the following year."

From: Jaquomo
06-Aug-22
"The Landowner Preference Program (LPP) was created to give landowners a preference for hunting licenses to encourage private landowners to provide habitat that increases wildlife populations for the benefit of all hunters, discourage the harboring of game animals on private lands during public hunting seasons, and relieve hunting pressure on public lands by increasing game hunting on private lands."

Creative bullshit wordsmithing by PR pros. The real reason was to bow to landowner (outfitter) pressure to give them more vouchers to sell and profit from, while at the same time increasing nonresident license revenue by getting around the allocation percentage, since the majority of vouchers appear to be sold to nonresidents.

I understand part of that, especially now that hunting has truly become a commercial enterprise for landowners. But as Steve points out, it is being done at the expense of resident hunter opportunity. And I'm hearing of more and more landowner vouchers being sold without permission to hunt the ranch for which it was issued, which blows the last half of that quote. They are advertised as "unit-wide landowner vouchers".

And my state representative responded to me by saying there are no documented instances of vouchers being brokered on the open market by third party brokers. I told her to Google Colorado landowner vouchers for sale. Never heard back.

From: Orion
06-Aug-22
Yeah there was a lot of illegal brokering going on that CPW never did anything about. Also I would ask is private land access easier or harder since the LPP program started?

From: Jaquomo
06-Aug-22
Orion, on the eastern plains it is definitely harder. My couple weekends of cowboying for access went away when vouchers became worth $4-6000, with a trophy fee added onto that. And large ranchers can obtain up to 19 deer vouchers and 19 pronghorn vouchers to sell.

From: Paul@thefort
06-Aug-22
From Google search, Colorado Landowner vouchers sold by third party.

DESCRIPTION: 1 - Unit 62 Mule Deer Tag Unit Wide Archery Dates - September 2 - 30, 2022 Price - $2,000

Show Less PRICING OPTIONS: Landowner $2,000.00 Contact an advisor for more information. LANDOWNER CONTACT: OUTFITTER ID: LO LAST UPDATED: 7/27/2022 Tyler Streich (970) 596-5510 [email protected]

From: Paul@thefort
06-Aug-22
Lou, as you know, east of I 25, 13% of the quota is issued for a specific hunt code, ie, "unit wide" and then an additional 10% of the public limited quota can be issued as "private land only" licenses.

So I seems that land owner license can be advertised/sold as "unit wide" license , but the private land only licenses can only be transferred to youth or an immediate family member.

If I remember correctly, the "unit wide" use of these private land owner licenses are the ones where there is controversy.

From: Grasshopper
06-Aug-22
I don't think you are following me Paul. Lets talk.

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