Post your pics. My old boss and I went out this morning on public and shot 14 in an hour and a half. I had to get back to work after lunch, so we didn't stay long. Seemed like more birds than last year.
Dog was happy to get out, and made some excellent retrieves. Most birds were young, and wet from the dew and his slobbers, so they didn't make it into any pictures.
Heading up to Kaw this morning. Killed a handful last night here locally. Daughter got her first bird . Was a nice evening after the rain quit. Heading to Kansas tomorrow.
It's a .410 and everyone had ear protection. Without protection that thing will ring your bell. A couple of boxes sitting next to it would be miserable.
Hey I think I seen a pic of that kid on the right holding a catfish one time and is that the basketball player sitting on the side of the bed? I sure wish I had some dove to throw on the grill this evening.
Hunted doves in west central Ks first two days. Have hunted them for over 50 years. I think dove numbers were down a lot. However, our farm had two small ponds that were not dry and were the only water source in quite a distance. The doves were concentrated near those ponds. Several of us shot limits with .410s and 28 gauge guns.
Mostly mourning doves, Troy. You do see quite a few Eurasian Collared Doves around towns / farmhouses, etc. I hear about folks shooting some white wings in the SW.
Fun story with the knives. I know a guy in Wisconsin that builds them. He can't find sheds so I sent him a big ol box of them. To return the favor he made those knives for me. One is antler handle, the other is hedge from an osage self bow I was making (but scrapped due to it not turning out the way I wanted).
t-roy.... I filet them off the breast bone. Pretty easy to feel around holes at that point and dig out any shot. Some always make it through though so I always tell people to chew slowly.
The mighty t-roy doesn't know how to clean a bird? Snap each wing off, peel skin off breast, apply pressure under breast bone with your thumb, and rip the whole breast off. No knife needed. Takes less than a minute a bird, if even that. If you want them boneless, do like catscratch said.
I always just hired it done, Thornton. Good thing I was a crappy shot. $$
Used to hunt pheasants in Iowa quite a bit, back in the 70s & early 80s, and some decent numbers of quail in Oklahoma in the 80s and 90s. Hunted doves a few times down there, as well. A full choke Model 12 12 gauge probably wasn’t the best choice of weapon for doves and quail. I think these pheasants we shot last fall, are the first birds I’ve shot in probably 20+ years. But they still cleaned just like the hundreds of other birds I’ve cleaned over the years…..Just thought there might be a little trick or tip I wasn’t aware of.
Catscratch…….your comment about a limit with a box, reminded of something amusing Gene Hill (I think) wrote years ago, in Field and Stream or OL, about shooting doves. When a buddy asked him how he did shooting doves that day, his reply was “pretty good! I killed 4 outta the first box, but I kinda lost my touch after that”
I have been here in NW Kansas for a bit over a week. I have seen some birds and have heard quite a few in both morning and evenings while scouting. In Nebraska where I am hunting there are a lot of birds. Ecspecially along the fileds of milo and even the beans!! Hoping my golden(Leroy) does well when it opens in Nebraska on Oct. 30th I believe. Shawn
Thanks! I wish that dog could live as long as I do. Found the Belgium A5 20 guage magnum in the Cabela's gun library this summer. Always wanted one since I was a kid but couldn'tafford them back then, and got it 50% off with hospital gift cards and card points. Shot all the teal today with #6 game load steel shot. No magnums needed.
Only shot 2 teal and 3 doves this morning, but it was for lack of my skills. Missed 8 easy shots. Dog found 5 pheasants and a covey of quail on the way back to the truck. Small covey, with 6 being new hatch quail and 2 adults. Beautiful morning to be out.
My Grandfather shot a A5, my Dad was a side by side guy so I bought a Savage Fox like his but always wanted an old A5. What a classic shotgun, and teal to boot , Congrats!
I went to my honey hole yesterday afternoon and found 100 head of cattle on it. Turned around and came home. What sucks is that it is WIHA and the landowner will still get paid. Waited til after the opener then put the cattle in. These guys know how to work the system.
Jeff, I don't know WIHA rules. Are enrolled land owners not allowed to harvest crops or use pasture during hunting season? Some have been moving cattle to any spots possible to find some grass and avoid selling cows, or avoid a sky high feed bill before winter even starts. Awfully dry here.
I do not know the WIHA regs, but logic tells me that if a land owner can not use his land in a normal ranching/farming manner, while it in WIHA, there would be a lot less enrollment in WIHA. The payment for WIHA is very small and would not come close to paying for non use of the land while it’s enrolled.
Ag/owner use trumps all on WIHA. Think of it as ranching and ag use come first and Walk-in-hunting comes in dead last and you can take it out at anytime of the year.
The landowner should be able to do what they want. But the payment should be substantially reduced. WIHA needs to be re-visited. The program is failing. With Iowa's IHAP program, things like this would not happen.
I was told by a kdwp employee early one morning at a WIHA back in 2006 that if they altered the habitat-like baling, that the payments were reduced. Is that not the case anymore?
Iowa’s IHAP program has 32,000 acres. Bet there’s more critters on a million acres of WIHA. If Kansas took all the extra money from the crappy WIHA’s and spent it on habitat programs for willing participants you’d still complain, only it would be about the crowds in your “honey holes”. Can’t win ‘em all.
WIHA does not mean walk in only. I found that out . If the landowner gives a guy permission they can drive atvs or camp on the wiha. I was told oh you can still hunt and they can't stop you. But when you have a group of 10 guys driving under your tree every day just doesn't feel like walk in hunting when you have to walk a half mile to get there.
Kansas needs to increase state owned lands by 10 fold. There are federal programs that cover the tax base loss to the county. There are many big ranches that come up for sale that should have been purchased to add to public lands.
I could care less how many acres IHAP has. I shot more birds on Iowa's 32,000 acres last year than I did on KS lousy million. IHAP is a habitat improvement program. WIHA is a joke. Just run the program the right way.
Way to go! I keep saying I’m going to get after the early season chickens, one of these days. I only have a couple of labs, but they’re a lot better than nothing!
Fortunately I have a lot of pastures I am allowed to hunt. We still have them, but nothing like 30 years ago. Labs would probably work. They hold for a point sometimes but tend to flush wild. The young ones hold best.
Old boy made some good retrieves today up by Newton.
Old boy made some good retrieves today up by Newton.
I shot a triple on chickens by accident once back when I was 17. My friend and I had just left a hog pen where we had shot a bunch of doves, and headed a few miles away to jump teal on a watershed. As we drove across a hilltop, a flock of chickens ran in front of the truck. I grabbed his remington 870 loaded with bird shot and hopped out on one foot. I had a right broken ankle from a fight and didn't have time to grab my crutches. Anyway, I accidentally got 3 on the flush with 2 shots. I ended up shooting a teal a short time later.
Nothing quite like a early season chicken or a grouse... but I did happen across a covey yesterday. A couple of adults and around 8-10 young ones. They were old enough to fly but they certainly didn't go far, just kind of bumped around. It was good to see them!
You might recognize these guys, sitO. Shot a limit of ditch parrots yesterday morning, and “Bird Dog Hayden” is champing at the bit, ready to go again this morning! I’m thinking he’s hooked ;-)
You guys got any good recipes? My daughter and I got 3 last week. (Public land, stocked birds..it is what it is) I haven't been pheasant hunting in 30 years but she got the itch. Do you pluck or just breast/legs?
Thornton I have been going to Montana since I was a kid thanks to my Dad. Its more than they say in my opinion. Vast amounts of public land untouched if your willing to walk. We killed 42 birds but that means nothing to me in comparison to walking many miles with my son and taking in the vastness(big sky) and quite time we enjoy together. Sito said that he will never forget this and that is true but there is a flip side to that......I will never forget this time with him.
We got the thighs left, im gonna bone em out and cook that. Sounds great, thanks for sharing. Probably be killer with a pile of corn on the plate....I laughed so hard at that my face cramped up
I said I'm gonna cook it, and my wife did. Creamy tender goodness. Had it over rice and peas. Doing that again with some wild turkey if we can connect. Thanks again
Today was just one of those days that you'll always remember. They wanted down in that field badly. Quivira is pretty much dry but still saw plenty of cranes. We had groups of over 100 birds landing in the decoys. The last 2 I killed with 1 shot.
I have some friends doing a3-4 day scouting trip right now. We have hunted SW Kansas for 40 years, with what we saw last season, and the reports from earlier, they went looking. Haven't had much luck as of yet, but they are relocated now...
MAG that is way cool, as others have said... bucket list stuff right there.
I'm excited to get after some birds now that freezer is full and buck tag is punched. I don't have any pheasant on the farm, we have some random chickens that we wont be hunting, cause I feel we don't have enough in my area, a pretty good quail population, and plenty ducks using the river and cut corn and a few geese roosting on the watershed out back. Hopefully Stella and I can capitalize on some of that in the coming weeks.
We pushed a few coveys this morning, but my shooting was poor and Stella wasn't working as tight as I'd like. We will work on that....
Hunted Ness county opening morning, eight of us and two labs. The cover was extremely scarce. And that’s being generous. We expected very few or no birds so we bought 15 pen raised birds from a game farm released and hunted them. We did not see a track or any sign of a wild pheasant. We never saw another hunter and never heard a shot besides our own. I thought 2012 was bad, but this past summer drought and heat was worse.
Dale, My two brothers and I hunted not too far from you and there were more hunters than birds. It didn't help that my back issues don't let me hunt like I need to do to be successful.
We deer hunted opening weekend of bird season. Most of the hunters I talked to in restaurants and the motel were cutting their trips short and heading home. Word was very few birds. Last year was terrible on WIHA that were typically decent for me. Gonna head to state farther north shortly. Worth the farther drive this year.
Very few birds where we deer hunted this year. Last year there weren't many so I didn't expect much. Usually there are a decent amount and I take my dog out later in the season.
This year the drought was so bad I would of felt guilty killing one of the few we saw. Not many bird hunters around so hopefully everyone decided to give them a much needed break this year.
Loss of CRP and drought has really crushed the birds. Sad to see.
It's funny, I had over 75 birds look over the spread(including one spinner) and none landed...all pass shots. Instead the majority landed about 200yds up river...I wasn't on the "X".
You can't train an animal to come to a decoy, but a failure pile well...it's proven. Imagine if you could use bait for waterfowl, there would be even more losers out there calling themselves "hunters".
Have you ever hunted mallards over a dry corn field? The way they come into a spread with just 1 spinner isn’t natural. People do bait for ducks when they flood corn that is partially picked.
Shot a Rooster out west on Tuesday. Plumage looked great and then i picked it up. Dang thang was skin and bones. Great habitat with full time water and lots and lots of grain. I called Pratt and then Emporia and even sent an email about the bird incase the disease Biologist wanted me to freeze it.
Never heard a word back. Kind of disappointed. Birds are trouble and that bird could have part of the key to figure out what is going on.
There is a stretch of ground here that for 3 miles there is not a blade of grass. They have sprayed everything and it is nothing but dirt. Looks like a raging fire went through it. I don't know why they are allowed to spray the ditches. If Kansas would manage rights of way, it would greatly improve bird numbers. Canada is now doing this.
Matte: Unfortunately, I am not surprised with the lack of response. About ten years ago there was a tract of Wiha that we hunted a few times. There was about 20 acres of CRP. The last time I hunted it, my brother said there was an open well. It was in the middle of the CRP. I went and looked and sure enough there was an open well about six feet in diameter. I called WL&P and they acted like they did not know why I called. I gave them the tract number and an approximate location and they seemed to not have any idea of where it was located. It stayed in Wiha few years. The CRP is now gone and the open well is still there. It is no longer in Wiha, as there's no cover. It would have been real easy for a dog or even a person to fall into it, but they didn't seem concerned.
"The Pheasant Abundance Index represents the number of pheasants heard and seen along a typical standardize route within the national pheasant range in early June."
So 37 million acres of CRP leveled off the pheasant decline for a few years is what they’re saying?
Ray, Jeff always talks about ‘82 as the peak of rooster harvest in Kansas. There were twice as many wheat acres in ‘82 vs last year and a good chunk of that would’ve been fallowed with mixed results on chemical control I’d imagine. Probably more weedy stubble acres in those days than CRP acres at the peak. Would’ve been fun to see. Won’t ever happen again though.
Saw this slide on a KState land value publication the other day. Cash rents are bringing significantly less vs land values compared to 20 years ago. To my knowledge CRP payments are maxed at 90% of county cash rent averages for re-enrolling existing acres and 85% for new acres. Pretty bad business to enroll your ground in CRP these days, sadly.
CRP was created in ‘56 with the Soil Bank program. Which enrolled around 28million acres nationally by 1960. Though it’s hard to find exactly how those acres were “conserved” and where. Some of the contracts lasted until the early 70s, but the program as we know it didn’t come into play until mid 80’s.
Anyway, Pat are you suggesting land broken out to farm was a big player in pheasant declines? Maybe for bobolinks and sparrows, but we still have 14million acres of rangeland in Kansas. Why doesn’t that carry pheasant pops?
At the end of the day pheasants are an introduced species that thrived in an unnatural ecosystem when weeds and insects were allowed to flourish before ag technology caught up. CRP was a nice happenstance that they benefited from for a bit when it made sense for some landowners. It doesn’t now, unless your priority is wildlife over return on investment.
They can raise acreage caps all they want, they might again in this next farm bill, but until the government decides carbon, water and wildlife are more important than surplus grains and the payments reflect that CRP alone can’t boost rooster populations back to levels on the front end of that graph. And probably not even to the mid 2000s levels considering many of the other changes.
With the price of cattle and current weather conditions you can likely forget most of the wildlife benefits of CRP again this year anyway. Double the acres probably wouldn’t amount to much difference. Sad times.
Folks want to pretend like we aren’t changing things for the worse but fact is we are a nation and to an extent a world of excess consumption and the need to feed everyone and make enough money to get rich and get all the shiny things we want will cause us to continue to make it harder and harder for other species to exist.
Hard to argue that. But having said it, why isn’t the disdain more for the management of the Flint Hills/other native grasslands and those areas not currently having 10’s of thousands of prairie chickens booming as we speak? Instead folks always want to come back to a species that wouldn’t even be here and certainly wouldn’t have ever thrived in the region without significant human influence.
Not coming back to pheasants… grazing everything and farming everything and why wouldn’t they. I’d do the same most likely if that’s how I was making a living but it’s unfortunately a shortsighted endeavor. With that said everything has been evolving and adapting since the beginning of time and humans have been doom and gloom and speculating and dreaming of the glory days of the past for nearly as long.
In 1982 the wheat stubble looked much different. It was always my preferred type of cover to hunt back in those days. Along with all the shelter belts and old homesteads. None of those 3 things really even exist today. There were even awsome weeding ditches and fence rows back then. Fields were weedy and bugs were plentiful. Now we spray for everything.
You something like 25 Cherney? I'm only 42 and I remember chickens like yesterday. Shot dozens of them, and flocks of 50 flying into a skirmish line of 20 hunters was a common sight the first Saturday of every November.
Lol almost 36 but grew up in NCK almost to nebraska. Have seen some but I don’t think I’ve had one flush in shotgun range more than a handful of times in my life
Bird hunters used to come from all over the country to hunt our Flint Hills chickens. I can't believe how greedy these ranchers are, burning every year and over grazing. A large portion of them inherited family land and didn't pay a dime other than taxes.
You would have been pretty young Thornton. By 1990, most of the chickens were gone. I remember flocks of hundred after hundred flying. They would blacken the sky like blackbirds around sunset.
I got in on it when there were still hundreds in Greenwood County in the early 90's. The old timers said there used to be thousands prior to that. I can still remember every single spot I saw or hunted chickens as close as the airport at Eureka and 1 mile west of Eureka. Shot most of mine north of Eureka Lake. I remember a mid September dove hunt on a cut corn field that just happened to be during the early chicken season and about 100- 200 chickens flew in while we were shooting doves. Super odd because there were plenty of grasshoppers out but they flew into the corn. The old guys at Eldorado say the same thing, that trucks used to be lined up for several miles north of town opening day and it sounded like a war zone. I have shot several in NCK in the last 6 years, but cedars are taking over those pastures.
I truly miss chickens. Miss hunting them, seeing them, and hearing them. If I ever get another one I'll probably have it mounted just for memory's sake.
Would be interesting to know exactly what led to ‘82 being such a banner year. Was it simply weather? Or were there major ag factors at play? Farmers were doing really well in the mid to late 70’s. Then interest rates jumped to 18% in ‘81. Were there a pile of foreclosures and idle farms/pastures that led to a wildlife boom? (After some further reading most of the foreclosures weren’t until a few years later. That theory is probably out).
Looking at acre data nothing really sticks out. There was a decent shift from corn to beans that year. Milo was down a little compared to previous years but wheat up a fair bit.
Milo acres flirted with 5 million for a couple years in the mid 80’s and generally came in low to mid 4 millions back then. Projected to have around 3.2million this year. That’s about average (maybe a little higher than) over the last decade, though ‘21 saw a decent spike when prices jumped well above corn for a while.
Corn acres have gone up over 4x since then, beans 3x and wheat dropped by more than half.
Hell of a pheasant year in ‘11 when I moved out to Oberlin. Much wetter up there than much of the state that summer. About 80,000 acres of corn that year and 5,000 acres of CRP in Decatur Co. One of the lowest CRP tallies in western half of Kansas. What gives?
Speaking more toward Decatur County and parts of about four others I frequented. They were plenty thick. If a couple thousand square miles is tiny, so be it.
The NW counties raise about 1.2 million acres of corn these days. Imagine Sherman, Thomas and Sheridan always had a nice irrigated jag. I’m sure it displaced some milo acres on dryland, but historically it’s been planted into wheat stubble through that region so probably hasn’t moved out a ton of wheat.
Also of note, in some of the dry years it seems like the irrigated corn corridors through that country is about the only place you can find significant bird numbers. Almost half of the entire land area of Sheridan county is corn some years. Until the last year or two it still held some great pockets in my experience. Lots of corn and not much CRP.
KB not sure what you are getting at. Numbers kinda seem to speak for themselves. Corn and soybeans are not great for habitat… grass and wheat are better. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you and maybe it doesn’t matter since it ain’t going back any time soon.
I’ve said in here and other threads that by far the best habitat the state ever had going for it was weedy wheat stubble. Certainly not going back to that anytime soon in any significance. You acted like corn and beans and a lack of CRP were to blame specifically. So I cited some first hand examples of areas with great bird hunting where corn is king and CRP is hard to find. Obviously it’s a complex situation with a lot of variability. The pheasant carrying capacity of shitty farming practices is much better than today’s so you’re right, we’re probably not going back to ‘82 anytime soon. But I do feel like there’s room for improvement.
Since you brought up South Dakota I’ll link a more recent nice read on their situation. Have you ever been up there or at least looked over an aerial of Mitchell, Gettysburg, Chamberlain, Miller or Aberdeen? The fellow in your article mentions winter wheat. Kansas still raises about 7x the winter wheat of SD and 4.5x the total wheat acres. Plenty of corn and beans in that country but there’s one hell of a lot of potholes a fellow can’t drag a planter through. All of them surrounded by cattails and ideal pheasant habitat. Not much of that in Kansas, but does remind me a little of the playa region, or what it could be.
There’s a playa conservation program in western Kansas that pays fairly well, but it’s still more convenient and some years more profitable for guys to farm through them out there. Is anyone aware of a local PF chapter or chamber of commerce supplementing practices like that further in order to entice more acres of habitat like they mention towards the end of that article? How about CRP, buffers or shrub/thicket/tree planting? Why aren’t local groups ensuring those practices are far more profitable on a few acres here and there than farming them? In these dry years what’s stopping a conservation organization from boosting a landowner’s CRP payment if they leave the grass vs having it hauled off in bales? What if a group decided to pick up part or all of a spray bill on wheat stubble acres if a farmer waited until late summer to burn it down? Instead of blaming a certain crop, a farmer for running the most profitable business he can, or a landowner for not taking lower payments in favor of CRP, I tend to think the locals (business owners, county leadership, hunters, etc) have dropped the ball more.
The dollar figures in this South Dakota article are pretty wild. How many dying central and western Kansas towns could use a nice boost over the winter but are doing basically nothing to help improve the situation? Kansas’ plan of attack seems to be controlled shooting areas/plant and shoot outfits. That’s nice for a few families here and there but doesn’t do much for the area overall. Some checks from PF chapters/local businesses or something like property tax incentives on top of the federal money might perk up landowners a little more when it comes to habitat projects.
One last item for the evening. How much time and money is wasted in that state mowing ditches? I’m pretty sure South Dakota has implemented bans in some counties during nesting seasons since the timing of this article and Nebraska/Iowa/Minnesota have either had bills introduced or strongly urge folks/counties to consider holding off. Anything out of Kansas on the matter? Not to my knowledge.
We have zero cotton in CT but if the deer eat the seed in a pile of sadness why wouldn't a field of cotton attract them? Is it harvested prior to it being palatable?
I don't live in pheasant territory but as far as ditches goes the locals hate it when they get over grown. Makes it way more difficult to see deer during twilight before they step out in front of your car.
KB makes good points about local businesses helping pay farmers for practices that help sporting birds. Isn't that one of the State's main arguments in favor of NR hunting; that it's a boost to local economies through hotel, food, fuel, and other related expenditures? Maybe some of these tourist type businesses would be interested in helping produce birds in order to help their own sales?
I've always thought that once cotton got over a couple of inches tall that it was not used by deer. I know that cotton needs a huge amount of pesticides to do well. I imagine that any bird reliant on bugs would not do well with cotton in the area.
That’s the typical excuse and a valid one in your area Cat. But it doesn’t hold much water across much of the shortgrass pheasant region of Kansas.
Habitat First is a great program with a lot of good ideas Matt. But the payments generally only cover costs of the practices, if that. And how many landowners even know about it? It seems like in order to create habitat in Kansas a landowner has to initiate the efforts themself and then take a financial hit to get things in motion.
From that KState publication currently 45% of landowners live out of county. That number is only going to rise and rather quick I suppose. In general those folks collect a rent payment, pay their taxes and likely don’t give a second thought to the well being of the folks who live there. Going to take a far more proactive approach from PF, KDWP, hunters and concerned locals to make any significant improvements.
The older I get, the less I support outfitters and wish they would quit allowing them to operate. We used to have dozens of turkeys in an around Eldorado, and I haven's seen any in 3 years. The outfitter east of town has been slaughtering them lately.
Canada recently started a right of way program where public utilities aren't mowed. Farmers are now spraying county ditches. There is a 3 mile stretch down the road north of me that is completely void of a blade of grass. Farmer sprayed everything. Used to be birds along those ditches. County has cut out many of the plum thickets and widened the road in several areas in Ness county.
Hard to figure Jeff. Let’s spend a bunch of money tearing shit up so we can ensure our county brings in less money from pretty much the only thing it has going for it in the way of tourism.
When I was on the board for the now defunct Quail Unlimited, back in the late 80's early 90's, we offered to pay for buffer strips. We had a drill on loan, and would even pay for the forbs seed...had very few LO's take us up on it unfortunately.
I used habitat first to get rid of invasive trees and get native grass restored. The quail responded and I now have a covey that hangs around. But I only found out about it because a former high school classmate is one of the biologists.
How did you advertise it Kyle? What if a county partnered up with an organization like that to provide property tax credits or something similar for entire parcels that have significant habitat installed? Seems to me there are some possibilities out there that would get landowner’s attention.
That’s awesome Matt. I’m sort of a nerd when it comes to this stuff and have kept an eye on the HF program for a while. However I have a lot of farmer/rancher friends and family scattered around the state and I’m sure none of them are familiar with it. I’d be more apt to bring it up with them but just don’t think the interest would be there at the current levels unfortunately. If another entity came in to sweeten the pot a few might listen though.
I'm all about getting rid of invasive trees. Ripped these locust outta my hill top a month ago. Hope to plant bluestem and switchgrass up there soon. There's a covey that frequents the spot. Just lost one of my cedar thickets to fire that had quite a few really big bucks frequenting it during rut. Funny thing is, I don't even care and wish it would have happened sooner.
I tried to be cool and wear flip flops when I was younger…found out I wasn’t cool. Dam things put a hurting in between my big and second toe and having to walk to with my big toe curved upward and having to drag my feet a tad just to keep them on just didn’t work out.
Not too mention the annoying sound of flip flop flip fop:?)
My dignity probably leaked out of various holes long ago. But crocs (or better yet their lighter weight knockoff counterparts) are heavenly in a high mountain alpine camp. :)
I have a hunch that this could be the type of “chick” (w/Adams apple?) that really digs hammer toes, crocs, mullets, white pick-ups, friendship bracelet wearing coaches and loves taking long misty morning walks in the woods hunting them morels and ancient stone debitage waste/flakes with “their” full back tattoo exposed that says “Free The Beast From It’s Cage” while listening to Sia’s “Move Your Body” on Bose headphones and hoping to go tick free while wearing “their” Sitka gear ;?).
Thank you KS forum, I’ll be here all week. Drop the mic and exit stage left!
Crested, I had to look up 2 things from your post; debitage and the song. I felt smarter because I looked up debitage first... then I listened to part of the song and flushed that feeling away completely.
Dang Crested I have to admit that was pretty good…got both of em with one shot.
Now I’m thinking I can use Braun’s video on another thread and I nearly feel bad for him though hanging out with us bad dudes. Hope we don’t get him in trouble.
Mike.....I almost weaved you into it as well but just couldn't justify it, LOL! My apologies to all for taking this thread off the rails......but I guess one could argue it was already heading there with posts that preceded mine, LOL!
It’s a toss up between these 2. I think Crested can hang with him when he has paragraphs to write but when it comes to one liners that packs a punch Sito might have a slight edge.
