1st 3 weeks of gun season a bust.
New York
ny gun season has only been open for 11 days if you have been hunting for 3 weeks with a firearm don't think I'd advertise it
according to that map direct from the dec northern zone gun opened on 9/22 crossbow (which isn't a firearm )opened the 12th don't see any dates in ny opening in the 15th this year and that map is for 22/23 season
correction muzzle loader but that's a separate season actual firearms season is way way to long
I also don't hunt firearm season so the regular gun )crossbow/muzzy season I don't pay attention to I'm strictly a vertical bow hunter always have been always will be
Nobody I know is seeing deer. I normally have 5 bucks with at least one 3.5. All year, all I have is the same 1.5 year old spike. We all think there's a problem with the deer herd in the NZ.
But even if the herd has been decimated and it's 3 dpsm, NY DEC will still let you shoot 2 bucks and give hunters nearly 8 weeks of firearms including muzzleloader. As NY politicians love to say; "it's all about the science" - yeah right!
pat I agree 100% season needs to be cut to 2 weeks for all weapon types ,cut the doe permits completely and go to a1 deer per licence per year quota PROBLEM is 85% of ny deer hunters won't give up opportunity for quality you can't pound deer from September until. January and expect quality hunting choose your weapon would also help. ny deer herd
squash I lived in NY for 18 yrs (I was born there) I left the state right out of high school I spent the next 30 yrs in Montana working for the forest service I hold a lifetime licence for the state of ny I hunt the dacks for 3weeks every year with friends and family when I visit my family owns large parcels of land in Essex /Franklin &Warren county NY that have been in our family for 10 generations . I m very aware of the issues nys and it's game are facing, go to 1 licence type for all weapons (do away with the separate licence for different weapons choose your weapon /season/unit , ,cut the season to 2 weeks for all weapons quit hunting deer in the rut ,do away with doe permits & go to a 1 deer per year per licence , concentrate on habitat improvement, start clamping down on the illegal bait piles ,road hunters spot lighters figure out how start enforcing the manaory harvest reporting do that and within 5 yrs you'll see a tremendous improvement BUT it will never happen because 90% of ny deer hunters will never give up opportunity for qaulity heres a challenge HOW MANY are willing to throw their tags away without filling them or limit themselves to 2 weeks regardless of season length 98% of those crying and complaining are the same ones that won't even concider doing either.their not willing and never will be willing to give up. their opportunity for better hunting but they will bitch and moan about the piss poor hunting
Squash you nailed it. The state measures quality by licenses sold. That’s the reason for the September season, the youth season, the holiday season and the crossbow. As aside, the weather has pretty much made deer movement nocturnal ( at least here in 7M). Like I said in another post, I wish inept deer/hunter management was NYS’s biggest problem but it doesn’t even crack the top 20.
I knew what your point was from the start .at the end of the day they buy their licence they pay for their gas & gear if they want so shoot the first deer they see not much you can do about it but don't sit on the internet and bitch about lack of deer. Dead does can't give birth dead bucks can't breed does when they are getting pounded during the rut. The nys Dec really can't change anything, significant changes have to be done through the legislature dec can hold meetings ,listen take comments suggestions then forwars tths to the proper people , but any significant changes have to go through the legislature & with the current children running the state you have an uphill battle wanna see what happens hunting deer in the rut for 5 -6 weeks, handing out handfullls doe tags just look at montana's mule deer herds
pat why not just sell your land in NY and stay in ct & OH? why keep paying high taxes on something that has such a poor rate of return
Ultimag, The deer hunting sucks there the last couple of years. But turkey hunting is excellent and I got my first archery bear this past september. My son and I also love to hunt coyotes at night over bait. So the property has value beyond deer hunting.
who knows maybe the deer hunting will improve
pat you should do a spring spot & stalk bear hunt in Montana
EHD decimated the deer population by me in 4Y last year. A group us which included landowners and farmers made a pact to not hunt at all, that the deer which survived needed a break. The DEC continued to sell not only licenses, but issue DMP's, all while knowing what was going on. Deer started to die in June, so they could've implemented a plan to not issue DMP's for those WMU's which were hit hard by EHD. Over 5,000 reported dead in Dutchess County alone, that came right from an EnCon Officer. The DEC can set season dates and license limits, they do not need the Legislature to pass any Bills in order to do so. They chose not to, so any "blood" isn't on their hands. They saw an increase in license sales during the scamdemic because people needed to eat, and even the woke socialists realized that venison is healthy. Sadly, the DEC is just an extension of the state coffers, they are no longer beholden to their very definition: Conservation, the WISE use of natural resources. The more licenses, the more money, simple as that.
have a great season everybody, we closed ours out with successfull hunts in NY on Wednesday all I can say is you don't like how by dec does things get a degree apply for the job and get it done but you'll find it isn't as easy as you think it is. dec can't just sighn a piece of paper and make it law CERTAIN things have to go through the legislature IF you dont believe it may I suggest you look to Wyoming , mt and Colorado the fws in those states made changes which HAD TO be approved through the legislature because their fws couldn't do it NY has rules in place that forces the ny dec to do the same exact thing they CAN'T just change shit because you don't like it don't believe it call the dec and ask
Unfortunate Al, but I agree !
Yes, the DEC can just change "stuff" on its own, but not without justification/reason.
Hunting is New York is restricted by "LAWS" and also "RULES and REGULATIONS". The NYS Legislature must approve any new or alteration of LAWS (changing laws is often done at the recommendation of an agency, like DEC, and it is a more intensive process). An example is when the age for youth to hunt big game with firearms. The DEC can approve or change RULES and REGULATIONS without legislative approval. An example includes adjusting DMP ("antlerless permit") allocations yearly. This is also how they changed legal big game hunting hours (added 30 minutes either side of sunrise/set) and added blaze orange/pink.
The DEC cannot limit license sales, but can limit DMPs issued.
I am very skeptical of the claim that over 5000 deer were reported dead in Dutchess County in 2021 from EHD and cannot find any evidence of anything even close. The Cornell website says there were 362 reported.
License sales during COVID likely increased more because hunter education courses were offered 100% online. I really don't think people did it to eat, though they may need to with the way prices are going.
Lastly, it sure would be nice to see this forum get into the 2000s by allowing paragraphs.
The DEC is an agency that has run afoul of its' intentions. The suits in charge do not listen to those field and senior biologists, they ignore their reports and recommendations. So much, that over 70 resigned a few years ago. Their years of field research, and hours of times spent putting together reports, only to be totally disregarded by their policy making bosses.
They seek public input only when they need to, in order to justify an enactment which they desire.
I have been dealing with the DEC, and EnCon Committees for both houses for almost 3 decades. I know how it works and have seen what goes on. I have been in countless meetings during those decades with DEC Commissioners, Chief Biologists, Committee Chairs, etc... For as much money that we, the hunting demographic bring into Albany, you would think that they would listen. The reason that they don't is because they know that we are passionate about it, and they know that no matter what BS they pull, we will still line up and buy our licenses. Cha Ching!!!!
