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Wolverines reintroduced
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Contributors to this thread:
samman 05-Mar-24
Stix 05-Mar-24
TRnCO 05-Mar-24
Jaquomo 05-Mar-24
samman 05-Mar-24
soccern23ny 06-Mar-24
TRnCO 06-Mar-24
TRnCO 06-Mar-24
Longcruise 06-Mar-24
samman 07-Mar-24
pronghorn21 07-Mar-24
Paul@thefort 07-Mar-24
pronghorn21 08-Mar-24
Glunt@work 08-Mar-24
pronghorn21 08-Mar-24
Paul@thefort 08-Mar-24
pronghorn21 08-Mar-24
Ziek 08-Mar-24
pronghorn21 08-Mar-24
Orion 08-Mar-24
pronghorn21 08-Mar-24
Orion 08-Mar-24
billygoat 17-Apr-24
pronghorn21 18-Apr-24
Bowkill 18-Apr-24
bad karma 18-Apr-24
Barkeater 25-Apr-24
FORESTBOWS 26-Apr-24
Barkeater 16-May-24
samman 21-May-24
Grasshopper 21-May-24
cptbs 21-May-24
TRnCO 22-May-24
Paul@thefort 22-May-24
Barkeater 23-May-24
bad karma 23-May-24
pronghorn21 23-May-24
samman 24-May-24
bad karma 25-May-24
Barkeater 26-May-24
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bad karma 27-May-24
cptbs 27-May-24
Bent arrow 28-May-24
Barkeater 02-Jun-24
Sheephunter 14-Jul-24
From: samman
05-Mar-24

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With all the issues this state has, is this really a necessary endeavor? Maybe working on the homless & immigrant problems would serve the state better. What are your thoughts? Good, bad, indifferent?

From: Stix
05-Mar-24
Ha! I just posted this on community thread.

From: TRnCO
05-Mar-24
Who gets to pay for the transplant of these critters? And what benefit do they bring to the state?

From: Jaquomo
05-Mar-24
It will make all the liberals on the Front Range feel good. And that's really all that matters anymore.

From: samman
05-Mar-24
I was surprised to see it was a bi-partisan bill. You know us as hunters will pay the bill. Like wolves, it will fall under the budget of the CPW.

From: soccern23ny
06-Mar-24
Not sure if it was cpw or just biologists that were quoted as saying(paraphrase) "reintroduction is too stressful on the animals and restablsihment will happen naturally without reintroduction"

From: TRnCO
06-Mar-24
doesn't matter where the quote came from, whether or not re-establishment will happen naturally or not didn't stop the state from requiring wolves be hauled in from other parts of the world. If the issue gets put on a ballot, and it will, I can tell you what will happen.

From: TRnCO
06-Mar-24
I am anxious to hear where they think they will find enough to trap and relocate from.

From: Longcruise
06-Mar-24
It was established some years ago by use of baited hair sampling devices that we have wolverines. So, why not let nature handle it?? Who introduced the bill? How about turn about 500 of them loose in downtown Denver and take care of the paucity of wolverines and create a paucity of homeless in one fell swoop.

From: samman
07-Mar-24

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Here is who introduced it. State Sens. Perry Will, R-New Castle, and Dylan Roberts, D-Frisco, and Reps Barbara McLachlan, D-Durango, and Tisha Mauro, D-Pueblo, on Monday introduced Senate Bill 24-171, allowing for reintroduction of North American wolverines to the state.

Next up, wooly mammoths. I'm sure at one point their home range included Colorado.

From: pronghorn21
07-Mar-24
Perry Will should be embarrassed. What the heck is he thinking?

From: Paul@thefort
07-Mar-24
So what threats will the wolverine bring to Colorado?

From: pronghorn21
08-Mar-24
Eats rabbits and fawns. And lastly on the wish list of predators don't be surprised if you see grizzly bears on a ballot in the future. The only nice thing about grizzly bears is they only have Cubs every 3 to 5 years and they don't reach sexual maturity until they're three unlike wolves

From: Glunt@work
08-Mar-24
Wolverine population and density would likely be extremely low. I have no concerns about what their impact would be. I just don't trust the State to make correct decisions when a possible conflict arises with other activities in wolverine occupied areas. It could be guys cage trapping bobcats, backcountry skiiers, grazing, backpacking, offroading, snowmobiling. Someone gets the idea that it is effecting wolverines and suddenly some normal activity is in danger.

From: pronghorn21
08-Mar-24
My email to Senator Perry Will; Dear Senator Will,

I'm very disappointed to see your name on the wolverine bill. Wolves put here by ballot, a looming ballot cat hunting ban, and now you want wolverines added to the mix. The main food of wolverines is rabbits and elk/deer carcasses left over from wolves. I guarantee you that if a wolverine comes upon a freshly born calf, elk fawn, or deer fawn it's going to kill it. You being a rancher I'm very surprised you want another predator. Is this some kind of a scheme of yours to get more democrats to agree with something you need? If so, it's a terrible idea.

You need to get your name off this bill. It's an embarrassment to the ranching and hunting community. His resonse: I beg to differ, if I didn't run this bill you would get another ballot measure and wolverines would be just like the wolves. Ballot box biology!!!!! This way at least we drive the ship. I would love to talk with you about this, but there is no line in the sand, we get steam rolled over here from the front range folks. I tell everyone the only way to change it is vote republican and take back the House and Senate or at least make it even. This Governor needs to go but he can do a lot of damage in the next 2 years. Perry

From: Paul@thefort
08-Mar-24
I agree totally with what Senator Will stated in response. My best, Paul

From: pronghorn21
08-Mar-24
I don't know. Following Senator Wills logic I guess he should have also introduced a grizzly bear bill. Is that what you want grizzly bears too?

From: Ziek
08-Mar-24
The reasoning for bringing grizzlies back is identical to bringing wolves back. Since we've heard nothing of that, maybe they're rightfully scared of the big bears in such a populous state. If that's the case, we should have tried to attach it to the wolf initiative - both or neither. That may have swayed the close vote just enough to defeat it.

From: pronghorn21
08-Mar-24
For those of you who oppose this just know that the Cattlemen's Association is in opposition to this bill while the coloradoans for responsible Wildlife group is just listed as monitoring.

From: Orion
08-Mar-24
At this point I would gladly take grizzlies. It will alleviate a lot of the non resident influx. The trailheads will also have a lot less yuppy leaf lickers, mountain bikers, unleashed dog hikers, etc.

From: pronghorn21
08-Mar-24
Grizzlies don't seem to deter people from hunting in Wyoming or Montana. Every once in awhile some hunter gets mauled to death by one of them but it doesn't seem to deter anyone. The only positive I see with Grizzlies if they do have to come here is the low birth frequency. The low birth frequency is the reason I was reading that they wanted to stock and I think the state was Montana and not Wyoming more Grizzlies in a particular area because they weren't multiplying fast enough.

From: Orion
08-Mar-24
It does in Wyoming alot less non residents in general areas that have grizzlies.

From: billygoat
17-Apr-24
Just heard on the radio that wolverine introduction passed the senate. Glunt is on the right track. With low density, they're gonna say the wolverine can't thrive with all this human intrusion. Let's lock up the public land to help the cute, cuddly wolverine.

From: pronghorn21
18-Apr-24
Yep and they're going to kick the ranchers off the public lands all because of one little Wolverine

From: Bowkill
18-Apr-24

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Montana reintroduced elephants

From: bad karma
18-Apr-24
Good. Teach them to prey on wolves.

From: Barkeater
25-Apr-24
Unfortunately it would be a political win for the anti- hunters. They will use federal habitat protection.

26-Apr-24
Perry Will is my friend and one of the best guys you will ever meet. He knows what he is doing.

From: Barkeater
16-May-24
Looks like wolverines have the state green light. They don't have any in Yellowstone ,what are the pro crazies going to use as a baseline.

From: samman
21-May-24

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Governor Polis signs wolverine reintroduction bill at Loveland Pass “I am thrilled to welcome Wolverines back to Colorado! A diverse and healthy environment strengthens Colorado’s booming eco-tourism and outdoor recreation sectors. Today, we begin to add Wolverines to the list of animals reintroduced to Colorado, ensuring Colorado remains the best state in the nation for ecodiversity and outdoor enthusiasts,” said Governor Polis.

Bunch of BS

From: Grasshopper
21-May-24
eco-tourism? eco-diversity? Like wolverine tours are going to be big business? The odds of seeing a wolverine are zero.

Wolverines just got added to the DEI agenda.

From: cptbs
21-May-24
We need more wolverines like the ones in red dawn.

From: TRnCO
22-May-24
Why stop now, bring on the Grizzy bear....

From: Paul@thefort
22-May-24
I see some in the picture that I believe wished they were not there!

From: Barkeater
23-May-24
Has the CDPW consulted with Law makers before this was voted into Law. Where are they going to get them Canada or are they going to state breed them like the Mexican Wolf hybrid.

From: bad karma
23-May-24
Can wolverines be taught to eat wolves? Asking for a friend.

From: pronghorn21
23-May-24
What's funny about the bill is it only has 750,000 in it. Good luck trying to trap a solitary animal or a couple of them with only 750,000

From: samman
24-May-24
$750K? The government can spend that much just doing the paperwork to find where to get the donors.

From: bad karma
25-May-24
We should reintroduce the grizzly bear at Front Range city parks, especially in Denver so the people who vote for these programs get to see the actual results.

From: Barkeater
26-May-24
The public will be delighted seeing wolverines smashed along the road.

26-May-24
Siberian Tigers and Snow Leopards should do great along the I-25 corridor.

From: bad karma
27-May-24
Given the clowns at Colfax and Broadway, I'm awaiting any day a plan for Sasquatch reintroduction to eliminate more hunting areas.

From: cptbs
27-May-24
Colfax & Broadway is where the hookers hang out. On 14th between Lincoln and Grant is where the clown show happens, plenty of prostitutes there also.

From: Bent arrow
28-May-24
Seems to b a lot of stupid uninformed bunny huggers in some of the western states. Neighbor is one. Tried to explain to her that emotional decisions don't go well. She started yelling. I walked away. U can't fix stupid.

From: Barkeater
02-Jun-24
Reintroduction could prove difficult if stock is brought from Canada or northern Europe. Cites act could make it unlawful.

From: Sheephunter
14-Jul-24
OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO NICK PINELLO AT THE DOW IN COLORADO SPRINGS TOLD ME OF ABOUT A WOLVERINE A YEAR BEING TRAPPED ACCIDENTLY IN COLORADO BACK WHEN TRAPPING WAS STILL LEGAL. I HAD ALSO HEARD TELL OF A WOLVERINE BEING HIT BY A CAR AND KILLED ON WOLF CREEK PASS YEARS AGO. I MYSELF PHYSICALLY SAW WOLVES IN TAYLOR PARK BACK IN THE LATE 80'S. AS RECENTLY AS FIVE YEARS AGO I WAS TOLD ABOUT A COUPLE OF GRIZZLIES LIVING OFF OF HIGHWAY 12 IN SOUTHERN COLORADO BOTH BY A LOCAL CONVENIENCE STORE MANAGER AND THEN BY A RETIRED GUIDE IN LAVETA, COLORADO. QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE TRANSPLANTING ANIMALS HERE WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY HERE. ADDITIONALLY, THE DOW HAS ALWAYS DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF ALL THESE SPECIES IN COLORADO. THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THOSE DENIALS IS THAT ONCE THEY ADMIT THE ANIMAL'S PRESENCE, THEY THEN HAVE TO DEVELOP A MANAGEMENT PLAN. MANAGEMENT PLANS TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO DEVELOP, TIME AND MONEY THE DOW DOESN'T HAVE. BUT THE IDIOTS PROMOTING THESE REINTRODUCTIONS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE COST BECAUSE THAT WILL BE PAID THROUGH FISHING LICENSE AND HUNTING LICENSE FEES JUST LIKE THE STATE PARKS ARE PAID FOR NOW. THEY JUST PASS THE COSTS OF THEIR IDIOCY ON TO THE HUNTERS AND FISHERMEN WHO HAVE BEEN FAITHFULLY PAYING TO HUNT AND FISH IN COLORADO ALL THESE YEARS. EVERY ONE OF THOSE TREE HUGGING, PURPORTED ANIMAL LOVERS, SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY LOSS OF WILDLIFE DUE TO THE PREDATORS THEY ARE IMPORTING AND CHARGED WITH ANIMAL ABUSE FOR EVERY ONE OF THERE PETS THAT ARE DESTROYED BY THOSE PREDATORS.

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